Monopoly map, open minds please. [Abandoned]

by **Banana Stomper** on Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:33 pm

My free trial for photoshop ran out the day after i posted this map. Poor planning on my part i suppose. When i find some way to continue this, i plan to try to incorporate some ideas:

Monopoly is a popular board game...probably not too easy to get rights to use if the board is used exactly.

Solution? A Conquer Clubopoly board. Similar setup, but the different areas will be inspired by maps already on CC. What do you guys think of that?

by **kingwaffles** on Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:41 pm

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by **rocksolid** on Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:44 am

Banana Stomper wrote:My free trial for photoshop ran out the day after i posted this map. Poor planning on my part i suppose. When i find some way to continue this, i plan to try to incorporate some ideas:

Monopoly is a popular board game...probably not too easy to get rights to use if the board is used exactly.

Solution? A Conquer Clubopoly board. Similar setup, but the different areas will be inspired by maps already on CC. What do you guys think of that?

I think that would be cool, though make sure there's no rights issues on that one, either. The history of copyright/Monopoly is a long and litigated one, going back to its first being copyrighted despite being in the public domain as a folk game. Google it and read for hours, it's fascinating.

by **gavin_sidhu** on Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:09 am

Go is going to have a positive and tax is going to have a negative right? Im not sure if it is possible but maybe you should have chance and community chess alternate betweeen gaining and losing one man (like what happens in the board game when you get a favourable and non-favourable card).

by **Banana Stomper** on Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:47 am

i'm not sure how an alternating bonus would work, or if it would be possible. I defninetly thought about. Sorry i haven't had an opportunity to work on it and update anything, i've been pretty busy this summer, and now i'm heading to the shore. Oh life, give me some to enjoy for myself.. But alas, my intentions are to head more to a conquer clubopoly. Instead of chance, roll dice, instead of community chest, club forum, the different continents would represent different maps in the game, with key features as countries. Itstead of go to jail, deatbeater or convicted as multi, instead of jail, ignore list (or grievance, whatever we're doing..haha) istead of Go, advance to premium membership, or cash in a set. That sort of thing. If anyone has any input on what would be good things to do for the utilities or free parking, that'd rock, or if you have any ideas better than my own, lay them on me. See ya all late tomorrow

by **Ronaldinho** on Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:51 am

im going cross-eyes just looking at that map

by **Banana Stomper** on Sat Jun 10, 2006 11:03 am

yea, thats nothing like what it would look like in a finished state. i just put all of those lines in there to show what can attack where....probably poor planning on my part. the attack routes would probably be better shown by an informative statements or by diagrams like jota?...i think it was him...suggested.

by **EvilOtto** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:19 am

Is this map dead? I've actually played Risk on a Monopoly board; when my sister and I were kids we would mash up all of our board games (I think we combined Payday and the Mad Magazine Game somehow too...).

Anyways, I think this could be cool with a little more work, so I put together a rough sketch:

I shortened the board so it would fit a screen better... but maybe we could work with the "classic" board if people prefer. I put the card decks in as intermediary territories (all of the "chance" spaces border the chance deck).

The "Attack Jail" space is a one-way attack to the Jail space. "Just Visiting" is a separate territory from Jail. Maybe "Go" should be one-way also?

To own the yellow continent you must occupy the Community Chest deck and likewise the orange continent includes the Chance deck. The bonusus are just placeholders until the final layout is set.

The money (you gotta have monopoly money!) adds a few "protected" territories... I guess they could be color coded to match some of the continents (there is blue, yellow, pink and orange money that could match). I could also imagine larger piles of money that could be their own continent...

In terms of unique names for spaces... maybe one of each monetary denomination should appear (seven bills all together). Each Chance space has a color, but need to differentiate the Community Chance spaces.

Don't wanna step on any toes here, so if Banana is still going to work on this, power to ya!

-Otto

by **gavin_sidhu** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:28 am

Wow, this is great, and im pretty sure banana stomper has given it up.

And yes use the normal board, I want to see Mayfair and Old Kent Road. Jail should be a -1 bonus.

by **Marvaddin** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:42 am

Please dont be offended, but... #-o

by **gavin_sidhu** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:52 am

Marvaddin wrote:Please dont be offended, but...

The way he has done it is quite playable.

by **zarvinny** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:53 am

i like it, i was gonna suggest having some chance, community chest cards in the middle as territories

by **EvilOtto** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:57 am

Why would anyone ever attack the jail if it was -1? I guess if you really need a card?

I might take another crack at using the full "classic" board, but it gets really cramped unless you are playing on a big monitor... and the utilities and tax spaces just seem like added complication (but if they are just neutral territories that might be okay)...

I was thinking of running the train tracks in a loop all the way around the board for further clarity... any thoughts?

I'm not sure I want to code/script this thing, but I'd be happy to clean up the graphics some more.

-Otto

by **zim** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:38 am

EvilOtto wrote:Why would anyone ever attack the jail if it was -1? I guess if you really need a card?

I agree; if you make it -1 you need some incentive for people to attack it i.e. if you hold it and the utilities it's +5 (or something). See the USA Apocalypse board for this idea implemented. Or just make it neutral.

EvilOtto wrote:I might take another crack at using the full "classic" board, but it gets really cramped unless you are playing on a big monitor... and the utilities and tax spaces just seem like added complication (but if they are just neutral territories that might be okay)...

I'd like to see an stab at it on the full board first before cutting it short

EvilOtto wrote:I was thinking of running the train tracks in a loop all the way around the board for further clarity... any thoughts?

If the routes are clearly labeled I wouldn't waste the screen space on this.

EvilOtto wrote:I'm not sure I want to code/script this thing, but I'd be happy to clean up the graphics some more.

Don't be daunted by the XML part of the process other than the finicky work of getting the armies centered (which will be relatively simple on this map) it's quite straightforward. When you get to that stage I and I expect other foundry types can lend you an hand.

Overall I think it's an interesting idea, something off the beaten track and worth pursuing.

Good luck,

Zim

by **cricket** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:53 am

that map is awesome

by **SargentFluffy** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:08 am

I do think that has a nice look to it.

by **F.K.** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:30 pm

The map seems REALLY confusing to me...

by **cowshrptrn** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:35 pm

You might be able to make its a one-way circus maximus type map, and it would work better since the card piles would let you go against the flow, since they woudl be two-way, which wodl make them really valuable.

Also, i really dont' liek the idea of getting a bonus of one army for one country, since whoever starts on that country gets a HUGE advantage. Maybe have the car be able to attack go, sintead of giving it a one army bonus.

I like the overall nostalgic feel of it, but you might want to clean up the graphics a bit mroe so it doens't look quite so cut and pasted. What program are you using for the graphics?

by **Wisse** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:51 pm

a huge advantage? i don't think so... 3 + 1 = 4 so that huge of you isn't huge at all

by **DublinDoogey** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:56 pm

looks good but medit and baltic avenues are in the wrong place, they should be by GO!

by **EvilOtto** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:25 pm

Alright, enough people complained about the re-orginazation that I went back to the original board... my main complaint is that the yellow continent has no access to the yellow deck of cards... any ideas? What if I just swapped the water utility with a chance space? I don't think the utilities should connect, nor the taxes.

So here's the new board:

(trying to tread lightly on my server so the jpg compression is a little heavy, sorry)

I'm not sure about doing one way all around... I'd have to play a few games to see what it's like. What if I stuck a bill under free parking and you had to own both territories to get the +1?

I'm looking for a background... maybe a wood grain table top? Or that funny card-table vinal texture? Any one have anything that would work?

How big do the spaces for army numbers need to be? Looked like around 22p diameter on other maps?

-Otto

PS - Cowshrptrn, I've got an old copy of PS, but am on a Mac and need to boot Classic to run it, SO these are done in Graphic Converter. If I build a final I'll probably go back to PS so I can do it in layers. The first one was a very quick sketch. The issue is time not tools!

by **cowshrptrn** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:53 pm

EvilOtto wrote:How big do the spaces for army numbers need to be? Looked like around 22p diameter on other maps?

-Otto

I tihnk thsi map can do without army shadows. They dont' mean anything, jsut make it easier to read on colored backgrounds. Since the numbers are on grey backgrounds, you really dont' need them.

EvilOtto wrote:PS - Cowshrptrn, I've got an old copy of PS, but am on a Mac and need to boot Classic to run it, SO these are done in Graphic Converter. If I build a final I'll probably go back to PS so I can do it in layers. The first one was a very quick sketch. The issue is time not tools!

i'm a PC person, so i understood about 3/4 of what you said, but i see the general gist of it. np, i'll complain about graphics l8r on then :wink:

by **reverend_kyle** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:27 pm

put a table in the background

by **EvilOtto** on Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:49 pm

I tihnk this map can do without army shadows. They don't mean anything, just make it easier to read on colored backgrounds. Since the numbers are on grey backgrounds, you really don't need them.

Sounds good, but how much space needs to be there for the numbers? If I make a small version of the map how small can it be?[/code]