TOP PLAYERS OVERRATED!!

[lanyards]

[FabledIntegral]

Fab. wrote -
You're still too DENSE to understand what I just said. Noob Farmer/Point Hoarder doesn't mean ANYTHING. What matters is the number. You can be an equalitarian and have 1000 points, and all it meant is that you played other people still at 1000. Thus it means jack - something you apparently can't comprehend because you didn't address my point.

Here's an example. Completely hypothetical.

King_Herpes permanent rank has always been 5000. Just for the sake of this situation let's say he started off at 5000. Let's say he will ONLY play people ranked at 2500. Let's say he always wins 4 games and loses 1 right after winning those 4. Thus his score would go up to 5040, then the loss would set him back to 5000. He is in a permanent equilibrium.

Now you have a rank of 2500 and only play other people ranked 2500. You win one game then always lose the game directly after, thus you gain 20 points and lose it right after. You are also in a perfect never ending equilibrium.

Now according to map rank, you are an equalitarian and he is a noob farmer. Your relative rank is 1.00 and his is .500. Who is the better player? Anyone with any brains could analyze the situation and figure out that the person that wins 4 games and loses 1 is superior to the person that plays the same skill level and wins 1 loses 1.

The reason I said map rank's relative rank was flawed, which it IS, is because it can't possibly process when your ascension in rank happened. It just gives out facts about your overall games. Thus if I started a new account, was at 1000 points, played 1000 games, lost EVERY single game to a brigadier and had 1 point total then realized "well even though I can't beat this brig, I'm better than sergeants and stuff." This player with 1 point begins to farm other people. He gets good at it, and wins 100% of his games, and on his way up most of the players still have 5x his score. So he continues farming, and eventually he gets so good at farming he reaches the score of 5000. What happens? Does his relative rank say noob farmer? NO. It shows him as playing people ranked like 2890390x his score. It shows him as having possibly the BEST relative rank on this site. Even if it only included wins, you could still apply the same concept of a person who played at equilibrium vs cadets when he was a cook by winning maybe 1/3 of his games, then somehow got good enough to farm.

Thus don't pull out random statistics like you are trying to claim your equalitarian actually means something, when it merely shows you STILL PLAY LESSER RANKS THAN KING_HERPES.

I wrote -
Please read the post before you respond to it. You may find that I am agreeing with you on some of your issues. Please re-read my last post, I clearly said that Your average map rank only gives you information. It does not tell you who is the best player. It does tell you if a player is playing most of their games against lower or higher ranked players. If you were to look at two capt. with similar scores, and one had a map rank of Noob Farmer, and the other had Glad. Tell me from that info., who is the better risk player ? Both have the same score, but one plays against lower, and one plays against higher ranks. Like I said before, MAP RANK IS A TOOL. It is NOT the leaderboard.
It does allow you to go through the leaderboard and rate players by not only their points.

For shits and giggles I just ran a map rank on the top 20 on the Leaderboard.
Only 2 of them are EQ.
Seulessliathan
Fruitcake
These two in my opinion, from studying the stats., are most likely the best players, at this moment in time.
The other 18 would need to play a few, or some, may need to play a lot of games with top ranks, to bring their map rank up to an EQ.
Some may only have to bring up their score on a few maps, because they only played it once, and the opponent was low rank. Win or loose, his map rank for that map is "Noob". So, it would only take a game or two to bring that m.r up to an EQ.
So, I have no doubt that a few of those other 18, could bring their M.R up to EQ. But the rest are actually inferior players and Multi-cheats'.
Instead of trying to raise their map scores, A lot of them are blasting the map rank tool.
Killing the messenger will not fix your problem.
I would suggest that you simply try to raise your map scores. If you know how to play, you should not have too much trouble. Look at Seulessliathan and Fruitcake. If however you cant hang with the big boys, Then you should just accept your true place on the leaderboard.[/quote]

I wouldn't have a problem "hanging" with such players. It's amusing, you should talk with JPliberty, who has made various posts describing how having something such as an Equalitarian rank means you're a lesser of a player, because you sit in a pool with the same group of players. For example, say Fruitcake, etc. all got to a rank of around 3000 in the beginning days when there were there were crap players, or they noob farmed to get that rank. They all have rank ~3000, and they could all be mediocrely skilled players. Yet they sit in the same pool of players and play each other constantly, without any newcomers entering the ring. Thus their score remains constant and won't ever fluctuate, which is true for the group of players on teh scoreboard. Of course, it's a load of BS, as I've been invited to those games before and played in about 4 of them, lost all four, although one was after I was sweeping the board and was down to the last two players, had 40 armies on the board to another's 12 and the other's single left, I had 6v1 for the single and it fell through, the guy with 12 armies was adjacent to him the next turn killed the single got 4 cards cashed in a 60 set. Got him back in the game, but I would have won if I didn't get 4 paired followed by his 3-set . I know I can contend with them, I'm not quite as good as them simply from experience in those specific playstyles, but you highly underestimate most top ranked players if you're looking at relative rank.

As said - YOU were the one trying to use map rank to show that King_herpes follows in the "noob farmer" category. But you failed to address the point if King_herpes from this point on played 100% of his games with colonel's, aka people ABOVE YOUR RANK, he'd STILL be a noob farmer. He's still a better player than you even if he has an inflated score. That was my entire point. The terms "noob farmer" "point hoarder" etc. are nothing more than what a single person decided to label himself when making Map Rank, it has no relation to CC itself rather what a chipv wanted to designate it as.

[King_Herpes]

Nice.

I am pleased to see you admit that. I also am pleased that you can appreciate my stats. From my first day at CC, I went after the highest ranks that I could find. That is why my stats are,as they are. But instead of crowning me as the best, I would suggest that take a look at Fruitcake and Seulessliathan. Now that is IMPRESSIVE. I would put them way before me, ...and you.

Yeah, likewise with the first day thing. Except somewhere along the way my good times were spoiled by an unexplained ban between me and the person who introduced me to the site. Now I'm just a scrooge of a player and I've never hidden that or lied about what I currently do. I do understand why you feel the need to point your fingers at me or players like me and use us as an example in most of your statements on the topic. Hence the reason I dish out a little flak in return. What many players choose to ignore is the fact that I can only play a small amount of players at this point to raise the almighty Map Rank. At my level there is only one player I can play to do this to where my percentage would go up considerably. Do you think sjnap wants to play 200+ games with me on all of our negative maps so we can boost each others Map Rank? F*ck no he doesn't. He's smarter than that and so am I. That would be a crap shoot on 1 vs. 1's when we are equally as fast on freestyle and can read a board just the same on sequential. You also don't care to look or admit that I've already played a substantial amount of players on the first few pages and won against them whether or not they won more is irrelevant to me. I've beaten them and know that I could again. Do you think that I want to keep playing the same players over and over and over and over? F*ck no I don't. I want to do what I want to do with my account. That's set a ridiculous high score and get all of my medals at the moment. There's a good chance that after I do that I might just bounce and say goodbye to CC. Or who knows I might leave the darkside and come fight with all of the benevolent players and abide by humble CC morals. I really don't have anything against any person on this site and I just find it amusing that some people honestly have so much of a disgruntled opinion on who I am and carry around all of this steam under their collars. It truly makes me laugh and just feeds the fire. Shut up about it already, it's a dead end street.

[porkenbeans]

Fab. wrote -
You're still too DENSE to understand what I just said. Noob Farmer/Point Hoarder doesn't mean ANYTHING. What matters is the number. You can be an equalitarian and have 1000 points, and all it meant is that you played other people still at 1000. Thus it means jack - something you apparently can't comprehend because you didn't address my point.

Here's an example. Completely hypothetical.

King_Herpes permanent rank has always been 5000. Just for the sake of this situation let's say he started off at 5000. Let's say he will ONLY play people ranked at 2500. Let's say he always wins 4 games and loses 1 right after winning those 4. Thus his score would go up to 5040, then the loss would set him back to 5000. He is in a permanent equilibrium.

Now you have a rank of 2500 and only play other people ranked 2500. You win one game then always lose the game directly after, thus you gain 20 points and lose it right after. You are also in a perfect never ending equilibrium.

Now according to map rank, you are an equalitarian and he is a noob farmer. Your relative rank is 1.00 and his is .500. Who is the better player? Anyone with any brains could analyze the situation and figure out that the person that wins 4 games and loses 1 is superior to the person that plays the same skill level and wins 1 loses 1.

The reason I said map rank's relative rank was flawed, which it IS, is because it can't possibly process when your ascension in rank happened. It just gives out facts about your overall games. Thus if I started a new account, was at 1000 points, played 1000 games, lost EVERY single game to a brigadier and had 1 point total then realized "well even though I can't beat this brig, I'm better than sergeants and stuff." This player with 1 point begins to farm other people. He gets good at it, and wins 100% of his games, and on his way up most of the players still have 5x his score. So he continues farming, and eventually he gets so good at farming he reaches the score of 5000. What happens? Does his relative rank say noob farmer? NO. It shows him as playing people ranked like 2890390x his score. It shows him as having possibly the BEST relative rank on this site. Even if it only included wins, you could still apply the same concept of a person who played at equilibrium vs cadets when he was a cook by winning maybe 1/3 of his games, then somehow got good enough to farm.

Thus don't pull out random statistics like you are trying to claim your equalitarian actually means something, when it merely shows you STILL PLAY LESSER RANKS THAN KING_HERPES.

I wrote -
Please read the post before you respond to it. You may find that I am agreeing with you on some of your issues. Please re-read my last post, I clearly said that Your average map rank only gives you information. It does not tell you who is the best player. It does tell you if a player is playing most of their games against lower or higher ranked players. If you were to look at two capt. with similar scores, and one had a map rank of Noob Farmer, and the other had Glad. Tell me from that info., who is the better risk player ? Both have the same score, but one plays against lower, and one plays against higher ranks. Like I said before, MAP RANK IS A TOOL. It is NOT the leaderboard.
It does allow you to go through the leaderboard and rate players by not only their points.

For shits and giggles I just ran a map rank on the top 20 on the Leaderboard.
Only 2 of them are EQ.
Seulessliathan
Fruitcake
These two in my opinion, from studying the stats., are most likely the best players, at this moment in time.
The other 18 would need to play a few, or some, may need to play a lot of games with top ranks, to bring their map rank up to an EQ.
Some may only have to bring up their score on a few maps, because they only played it once, and the opponent was low rank. Win or loose, his map rank for that map is "Noob". So, it would only take a game or two to bring that m.r up to an EQ.
So, I have no doubt that a few of those other 18, could bring their M.R up to EQ. But the rest are actually inferior players and Multi-cheats'.
Instead of trying to raise their map scores, A lot of them are blasting the map rank tool.
Killing the messenger will not fix your problem.
I would suggest that you simply try to raise your map scores. If you know how to play, you should not have too much trouble. Look at Seulessliathan and Fruitcake. If however you cant hang with the big boys, Then you should just accept your true place on the leaderboard.

I wouldn't have a problem "hanging" with such players. It's amusing, you should talk with JPliberty, who has made various posts describing how having something such as an Equalitarian rank means you're a lesser of a player, because you sit in a pool with the same group of players. For example, say Fruitcake, etc. all got to a rank of around 3000 in the beginning days when there were there were crap players, or they noob farmed to get that rank. They all have rank ~3000, and they could all be mediocrely skilled players. Yet they sit in the same pool of players and play each other constantly, without any newcomers entering the ring. Thus their score remains constant and won't ever fluctuate, which is true for the group of players on teh scoreboard. Of course, it's a load of BS, as I've been invited to those games before and played in about 4 of them, lost all four, although one was after I was sweeping the board and was down to the last two players, had 40 armies on the board to another's 12 and the other's single left, I had 6v1 for the single and it fell through, the guy with 12 armies was adjacent to him the next turn killed the single got 4 cards cashed in a 60 set. Got him back in the game, but I would have won if I didn't get 4 paired followed by his 3-set . I know I can contend with them, I'm not quite as good as them simply from experience in those specific playstyles, but you highly underestimate most top ranked players if you're looking at relative rank.

As said - YOU were the one trying to use map rank to show that King_herpes follows in the "noob farmer" category. But you failed to address the point if King_herpes from this point on played 100% of his games with colonel's, aka people ABOVE YOUR RANK, he'd STILL be a noob farmer. He's still a better player than you even if he has an inflated score. That was my entire point. The terms "noob farmer" "point hoarder" etc. are nothing more than what a single person decided to label himself when making Map Rank, it has no relation to CC itself rather what a chipv wanted to designate it as.[/quote]



I wrote-

That is what I have been saying, He would have to play hundreds or perhaps thousands of games with those of some standing , before he could hope to raise his Map rank. This is because of his own doing. In his quest for points, he has raped so many Noobs, that it will take a whole lot to make up for that.
As for Fruit Noob farming, The stats dont lie. He has earned his rank by beating players, period. His EQ. status tells us that he players on average players that match his rank. If he Noob farmed, he would not be maintaining his EQ. rank.
What is so hard to understand ?
In one hand you have a guy at #20 His stats tell you that he plays on average similar ranked opponents, and was still good enough to make it to the top 20.
In the other hand you have a guy that has made it all the way to #1. BUT, the stats say that he won most of his points against not only inferior players, but the bottom of the barrel.

Which one of these players has more skill at playing "RISK" ?

[King_Herpes]

Which one of these players has more skill at playing "RISK" ?

We'll never know unless one day we bumb into each other with a Risk board at hand and exchange the courtesy of sitting down to hack out a game. As for who's better at CC, well I wouldn't say neither one of us are better than the other. I can tell you that I played a hell of lot more settings than he'll ever choose to play and maps as well. Even before I farmed and started fishing with dynamite(playing noobs without CM). However, you seem to like that guy and I see you two gravitating closer towards each other with every post. Maybe you'll get married and teach your children that it's okay to have two dads but not to drop your Map Rank ratios.

[porkenbeans]

Which one of these players has more skill at playing "RISK" ?

We'll never know unless one day we bumb into each other with a Risk board at hand and exchange the courtesy of sitting down to hack out a game. As for who's better at CC, well I wouldn't say neither one of us are better than the other. I can tell you that I played a hell of lot more settings than he'll ever choose to play and maps as well. Even before I farmed and started fishing with dynamite(playing noobs without CM). However, you seem to like that guy and I see you two gravitating closer towards each other with every post. Maybe you'll get married and teach your children that it's okay to have two dads but not to drop your Map Rank ratios.

Actually, I pointed out that there are only two in the top 20 with EQ. status. I would say that both are the best out of this group. I may be wrong. Maybe you are the best. I invite you to come back from the dark side and prove it. All you need do is raise your M.R. to EQ. If you could pull that off, Then I and others would consider you among the best, along with Fruit and Seul.
You will not be #1 probably. But if you could stay in the top 20, you would honestly be able to lobby for your superiority. ...Just think of all those words that folks would have to eat. Me included.
You would be able to say that you are the best Farmer and best risk player.

[maxatstuy]

Which one of these players has more skill at playing "RISK" ?

Sounds to me that seul is too afraid of dropping his score by playing people of lower ranks that he has to constantly play high ranks where one game won will make up for 2 games lost.

Map rank doesnt show anything. I still have a map rank of 0.5 which is absurd. That means that I consistently play people who have half my score, an average score of over 2500; a number which is completely ridiculous based on the fact that I pride myself in playing all new recruits.

You, porky, on the other hand have a decent Mat rank (I am sure) because your farming prides itself on being the best at a specific map. While you clearly arent good enough based upon your low score, the rank of your opponents shouldnt have an effect on you winning the game. Meanwhile, by saying that you have a high map rank, you can justify your farming by saying that you play high ranking people and farm high ranks on the map which you (ideally) have perfected.

Whether or not you have a high map rank, you are by far not the best player on this site. You play on one map. Does that make you the best at risk? No, it does not, it makes you the best on that one map.

This thread is pointless and I dont know why schmucks like me keep posting instead of letting this topic die.

[King_Herpes]

Which one of these players has more skill at playing "RISK" ?

We'll never know unless one day we bumb into each other with a Risk board at hand and exchange the courtesy of sitting down to hack out a game. As for who's better at CC, well I wouldn't say neither one of us are better than the other. I can tell you that I played a hell of lot more settings than he'll ever choose to play and maps as well. Even before I farmed and started fishing with dynamite(playing noobs without CM). However, you seem to like that guy and I see you two gravitating closer towards each other with every post. Maybe you'll get married and teach your children that it's okay to have two dads but not to drop your Map Rank ratios.

Actually, I pointed out that there are only two in the top 20 with EQ. status. I would say that both are the best out of this group. I may be wrong. Maybe you are the best. I invite you to come back from the dark side and prove it. All you need do is raise your M.R. to EQ. If you could pull that off, Then I and others would consider you among the best, along with Fruit and Seul.
You will not be #1 probably. But if you could stay in the top 20, you would honestly be able to lobby for your superiority. ...Just think of all those words that folks would have to eat. Me included.
You would be able to say that you are the best Farmer and best risk player.

I don't need an invitation you putts. I can just picture you pacing back and forth across your room in that same old farted out get up, itching your chin deciphering "who's the best Risk player in the world"? I don't lobby superiority you nitwit. Never have I. Which is exactly why I'll never worry myself over such the status, just tried a couple of attempts to show that I can contend with what you'd call the best. Here's the point: Most people are here to play however they want to play. Why are you here? To sling mud and play politics? You should stick a sock in it and realize that you're beating a dead horse. You're talking in circles and I'm just about done poking you with the proverbial stick.

[owenshooter]

I don't need an invitation you putts.

did you mean PUTZ? as in the yiddish word for a fool or an idiot? or perhaps you meant
it in the more base manner of the word. which is slang for c*ck or just an obscene term for penis?
or are you two going to have a putt putt golf off? that would be cool.. anyway, i'm just confused by
the golf terminology...-0

[King_Herpes]

I don't need an invitation you putts.

did you mean PUTZ? as in the yiddish word for a fool or an idiot? or perhaps you meant
it in the more base manner of the word. which is slang for c*ck or just an obscene term for penis?
or are you two going to have a putt putt golf off? that would be cool.. anyway, i'm just confused by
the golf terminology...-0

Golf terminology? Here you fill in the blank http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=putts

[maxatstuy]

I don't need an invitation you putts.

did you mean PUTZ? as in the yiddish word for a fool or an idiot? or perhaps you meant
it in the more base manner of the word. which is slang for c*ck or just an obscene term for penis?
or are you two going to have a putt putt golf off? that would be cool.. anyway, i'm just confused by
the golf terminology...-0

Oy gevalt! You goys have some chutzpah using Yiddish terminology.

owen- Ikh hob dir in drerd

Youre a schmuck and an alter cocker. A brokh tsu dayn lebn you faygala.

[THE ARMY]

maybe we should have a group of elderly wise men/women who go through each player for the first 500 or so and decide manually by looking at the games how great (based on skill) a player truley is?

I think it would be a cool thing

[The Chosen]

maybe we should have a group of elderly wise men/women who go through each player for the first 500 or so and decide manually by looking at the games how great (based on skill) a player truley is?

I think it would be a cool thing

Yeah.

... and I nominate you Army. Get started then.

[RiskTycoon]

Aw he is PMing me now ... how cute ... it's ok little buddy

you're not overrated i was wrong ... you rock!

[$t0kA]

I just think we should give more respect to the field officers who play DIVERSE games, are BRAVE and take RISKS, and WIN!!!!!!!!!!

hehe there are loads of players at the top who do that... although of course Hulmeys post regarding points is valid!



The guys who reach Conqueror do have to be very careful about their points but anyone who has been there will beat you (you in particular ) 9 out of 10 in almost any style..... oooooh could we set that up please!? who has the balls to Silence THE ARMY !?

NO ONE CNA EVER SILENCE THE ARMY!!!!

[$t0kA]

maybe we should have a group of elderly wise men/women who go through each player for the first 500 or so and decide manually by looking at the games how great (based on skill) a player truley is?

I think it would be a cool thing

Yeah.

... and I nominate you Army. Get started then.

ARMY is the Conquer then