Dear Moderators

[hecter]

hector relaxe what he is saying is true. he did not lock it andy did so stop saying he is a bad mod

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=90574&start=15#p2093546
Then how do you explain him locking the thread?

[AndyDufresne]

Lets not make a mountain out of a mole hill, or any other trite cliches.

Lets see, where to begin---Consistency. This is something we are actively working on behind the scenes. For the longest time, much of what was learned by Moderators on Team CC was simply catalogued and put into our Noggins, and there was little official writing down, only in the form of a couple of discussion topics. Over time, however, we've written up the Community Guidelines (multiple times), and we are currently writing up specific guidelines for our Team CC members behind the scenes as we speak (that's what I'd like to be doing right now!) These specific guidelines will help all Team CC members know how to deal with a situation, how to enforce a punishment that is based on past disciplinary history of a user or group of users, and these guidelines will just help increase overall consistency. So in the next couple of weeks, we should see an increase in consistency in service.

As always, sometimes the biggest thing everyone has to remember is Common Sense---Team CC members included. We know everyone is here to have fun, escape from the world, be themselves or whoever they want to be---etc.

I'm fine with discussing the actions of moderation with the users on Conquer Club---however, when if it devolves into Flaming, Trolling, Being intentionally annoying, it makes it much more difficult for there to be a real discussion----Take the Bigotry on CC topic for example. Had that devolved into the above mentioned collection of posts, we would've gotten nowhere. However, we stuck to our guns and remained on topic with level heads---and look, we actually worked together and everyone prevailed.

So lets work together.


--Andy

[hecter]

Lets not make a mountain out of a mole hill, or any other trite cliches.

Lets see, where to begin---Consistency. This is something we are actively working on behind the scenes. For the longest time, much of what was learned by Moderators on Team CC was simply catalogued and put into our Noggins, and there was little official writing down, only in the form of a couple of discussion topics. Over time, however, we've written up the Community Guidelines (multiple times), and we are currently writing up specific guidelines for our Team CC members behind the scenes as we speak (that's what I'd like to be doing right now!) These specific guidelines will help all Team CC members know how to deal with a situation, how to enforce a punishment that is based on past disciplinary history of a user or group of users, and these guidelines will just help increase overall consistency. So in the next couple of weeks, we should see an increase in consistency in service.

As always, sometimes the biggest thing everyone has to remember is Common Sense---Team CC members included. We know everyone is here to have fun, escape from the world, be themselves or whoever they want to be---etc.

I'm fine with discussing the actions of moderation with the users on Conquer Club---however, when if it devolves into Flaming, Trolling, Being intentionally annoying, it makes it much more difficult for there to be a real discussion----Take the Bigotry on CC topic for example. Had that devolved into the above mentioned collection of posts, we would've gotten nowhere. However, we stuck to our guns and remained on topic with level heads---and look, we actually worked together and everyone prevailed.

So lets work together.


--Andy

It would help if you moderators were a bit more accommodating. Refusing to debate, intentionally, knowingly and pridefully using deflection tactics, locking topics, not stepping forward or giving a reason (hint hint), unlocking and moving a topic, and then locking a topic again with reasons that have been stated and refuted previously, threats of banning for no reason, etc. etc. all really aren't helping.

[AndyDufresne]

Surely constructive criticism is helpful. We will start getting some new Mods on Team CC---from the Nominations we had a while ago---so I think this help with the overall feel of the Team. I know many members feel like it's the same old stagnant set of Team Members who are stuck in their way, so I think new members will help alleviate that feeling. In addition to some Team Members switching posts around, it should definitely help for the future. Stayed tuned for all this in the next day or two.


--Andy

[targetman377]

hector relaxe what he is saying is true. he did not lock it andy did so stop saying he is a bad mod

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=90574&start=15#p2093546
Then how do you explain him locking the thread?

i did and if you notice somthing this is not your site and you do not own it you may be a costomer here but if the site does not like that kind of offensive language then they have the right to lock it.

[hecter]

Surely constructive criticism is helpful. We will start getting some new Mods on Team CC---from the Nominations we had a while ago---so I think this help with the overall feel of the Team. I know many members feel like it's the same old stagnant set of Team Members who are stuck in their way, so I think new members will help alleviate that feeling. In addition to some Team Members switching posts around, it should definitely help for the future. Stayed tuned for all this in the next day or two.


--Andy

But you see, this is all stuff that doesn't really matter to the discussion we're having. Please stop going off topic. The issues are a specific thread, why it was repeatedly locked, and how this form of "unwritten rules" and uneven moderation has become commonplace. I'm sure everybody would be happy with the current staff if they would just moderate within the guidelines that you've set up. That, and everybody receives the same, fair treatment, and a person isn't singled out for excessive censorship simply because they might have a history.

[targetman377]

Surely constructive criticism is helpful. We will start getting some new Mods on Team CC---from the Nominations we had a while ago---so I think this help with the overall feel of the Team. I know many members feel like it's the same old stagnant set of Team Members who are stuck in their way, so I think new members will help alleviate that feeling. In addition to some Team Members switching posts around, it should definitely help for the future. Stayed tuned for all this in the next day or two.


--Andy

But you see, this is all stuff that doesn't really matter to the discussion we're having. Please stop going off topic. The issues are a specific thread, why it was repeatedly locked, and how this form of "unwritten rules" and uneven moderation has become commonplace. I'm sure everybody would be happy with the current staff if they would just moderate within the guidelines that you've set up. That, and everybody receives the same, fair treatment, and a person isn't singled out for excessive censorship simply because they might have a history.

your asking for it if you start a thread called f@# wanted honestly. if you have been acused in the past i do not know if dm has or has not but it looks like dm just wants to be locked any one with a comman sencs know it will be loocked the rules have always been very clear hear no using offensive language against other member F#$k is a common word that genarates more offesive language. ALso the mods in here keep answering your questions you keep getting off topic they answer your off topic remark and then you say they are not listning to you. come on people you guys just dont like there answer when clearly you guys are wrong here.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Fuckhead was a word used in a thread for like-minded people to play a "private game" and to have fun belittling each other in game chat. Hardly offensive and certainly not FLAMING.

C.C. has got rid of FLAME WARS, a forum where posters can insult and have fun with each other. Now we have Moderators who want to control any direction of discussion by saying, "IT MAY LEAD TO FLAMING." This argument is pure B.S.!

I'm sorry, but the Moderators are now coming up with bizarre answers to some of the posters questions. Obviously, the Moderators are back pedaling and rounding their wagons in defense of their fellow Moderators.

Asking regular posters to send private pms is a cop-out and are avoiding a REAL exchange of opinions in General Discussion. These warnings of giving out perma-bans is their attempt to discourage any REAL DEBATE.

How shameful!

[Skittles!]

your asking for it if you start a thread called f@# wanted honestly. if you have been acused in the past i do not know if dm has or has not but it looks like dm just wants to be locked any one with a comman sencs know it will be loocked the rules have always been very clear hear no using offensive language against other member F#$k is a common word that genarates more offesive language. ALso the mods in here keep answering your questions you keep getting off topic they answer your off topic remark and then you say they are not listning to you. come on people you guys just dont like there answer when clearly you guys are wrong here.

If you don't know if DM has gotten past warnings, please don't even try to enter the topic and suck on the moderator's teets. Kthxbai.

And f*ck is allowed. It's not against the rules to post f*ck Look - f*ck f*ck f*ck. How about shit? And douche? Maybe cunt? Those are all able to be posted, but when it is combined with 'head', it's OMGWTFBBQ.

The game was a friendly banter amongst users who have had a past of these games. They are going to create the game whether you like it or not, so to lock the topic (which was not going to turn into flames) which was going to have an amount of users thinking they were eligible was going to allow the creators of the game to choose from a selection.

And Andy, your continual off-topicness (such as talking about new moderators - why would you even mention that?) is frankly rude. For once, answer in a non-vague answer.

[Dancing Mustard]

But you see, this is all stuff that doesn't really matter to the discussion we're having. Please stop going off topic. The issues are a specific thread, why it was repeatedly locked, and how this form of "unwritten rules" and uneven moderation has become commonplace. I'm sure everybody would be happy with the current staff if they would just moderate within the guidelines that you've set up. That, and everybody receives the same, fair treatment, and a person isn't singled out for excessive censorship simply because they might have a history.

Yeah, precisely that.

Firstly, all this talk of us needing to show more 'courtesy' comes off as completely ridiculous and false in a thread like this. It's perhaps best for you to try practising what you preach before expecting everybody else to comply. Just take JPcloet's recent playing of the "Look. I just did it ok. If you don't like it, tough. I've done it and I don't care if my reasons for doing it aren't in the guidelines. You just have to take it, I'm a mod!" card.

Secondly, your odd little tangential discussion of how soon we're going to have even more moderators was completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

We don't care if there's soon going to be more of you. We're all bored of hearing that "everything will be great soon". We actually want something to improve now. Airily waving away the current problem (on which you completely failed to comment) with promises of pie-in-the-sky in the future isn't going to placate us. This may come as a surprise to you, but we'd actually like something meaningful being done about correcting this issue; we didn't come here to listen to inane platitudes and to watch a bunch of hall-monitors ducking and diving from simple questions.

So anyway, if you'd care to keep on topic this time Andy, can we finally have a proper answer on which guideline the locked thread actually broke? Also, how are we supposed to take the decision seriously when one of the most senior Mods on the team saw fit to unlock it again, presumably indicating that it hadn't broken a guideline? Isn't it true that this is really just a case of you locking a 'DM Thread' because you saw a swear in its title, then without reading it panicked that it might get rowdy, and hastily locked it without actually checking to see if it broke a guideline (which it has now transpired that it clearly doesn't).

[The Fuzzy Pengui]

DM, JP and Andy have been pretty civil with you; but allow me to break that trend. Shut up already! Part of the Community Guidelines read

Don't flog a dead horse. If a discussion is over, it's over. Screaming louder, more or in a different place is not going to change the answer already given. If you think the answer was wrong, PM an Admin. If you think the admin is wrong, then this probably isn't the right community for you.

This conversation seems to fit just under that. JP gave you the reasons he saw the topic was probably locked, but you didn't like those reasons. So, he gave you more reasons and you attacked him for saying something other than his original reason for it being locked. Quit playing games and pretending to be the victim. Guess what, Andy agrees with it or he would have unlocked it by now. If you look at that quote from the Community Guidelines it looks like you may just want to find somewhere else to play.

[Natewolfman]

every single person in this thread is a ridiculous baby

pretty much

[jiminski]

every single person in this thread is a ridiculous baby

pretty much

I think we have hit upon an unresolvable paradox, nice work!

[yeti_c]

every single person in this thread is a ridiculous baby

pretty much

I think we have hit upon an unresolvable paradox, nice work!

What a boring repetitive thread.

C.

[jiminski]

every single person in this thread is a ridiculous baby

pretty much

I think we have hit upon an unresolvable paradox, nice work!

What a boring repetitive thread.

C.

[hecter]

DM, JP and Andy have been pretty civil with you; but allow me to break that trend. Shut up already! Part of the Community Guidelines read

Don't flog a dead horse. If a discussion is over, it's over. Screaming louder, more or in a different place is not going to change the answer already given. If you think the answer was wrong, PM an Admin. If you think the admin is wrong, then this probably isn't the right community for you.

This conversation seems to fit just under that. JP gave you the reasons he saw the topic was probably locked, but you didn't like those reasons. So, he gave you more reasons and you attacked him for saying something other than his original reason for it being locked. Quit playing games and pretending to be the victim. Guess what, Andy agrees with it or he would have unlocked it by now. If you look at that quote from the Community Guidelines it looks like you may just want to find somewhere else to play.

See, but the answer given wasn't nearly adequate. We are asking a very simple question: What guidelines did that thread break? He gave some reasons, I pointed out how those aren't actually against any guidelines. Need to see it again?

Best to avoid flames and the encouragement of flames.

Especially when the guidelines specifically say that such things are okay:

# Banter and some trash talking IS allowed in the Game Chats, so don't waste time complaining about that.
# You may not be used to hearing or reading those "four-letter words", but some people do and will use them. This isn't a reason to open a complaint about the player; just kindly ask them to stop or ignore them.

I would think you guys would appreciate us playing with like minded people, as apposed to just doing it an any game we see fit.

And finally a half decent answer...

The candidate will be required to to make constant and lively contributions to the game-chat (which is likely to be vulgar and offensive). Promoting offensive comments

Isn't against the rules! YAY!

Being notorious in some way, having a talent for flaming (or generally being rude to) other users, and having earned one or more forum-ban, would be a strong advantage. Promoting bad behavior

Not promoting, promoting would be saying "If you go do these bad deeds you'll get in!" This is simply stating the recommendations, things you should already have. Besides, most of the mods fit the criteria of "being generally rude to other users", guess you better ban them.

Enjoying abusing the pointless ratings system Ratings abuse is a punishable CC offense.

You might wish to put that on the rules page then.

Then we have this?

Face it Owen, the thread post was inappropriate and I would easily class it under the "Intentionally Annoying". While you may think you are being clever, only a few see it that way. If that thread was in callouts, it would have been locked immediately, and I would have asked DM to reword his post in an appropriate way. Standing up for a clan mate is honorable, but I'm not sure why you think this fight is worth fighting over. Leave it alone and move on.

HOW was that thread intentionally annoying? We were looking for like minded people to play a game with. There are no rules that say "All posts must be nice and peachy, swearing is a big ol' no-no!"

We're asking something very, very simple here. Why was that thread locked? The original thread locker (it's been stated to be Andy) has yet to come forward and tell us why (let's run though a brief synopsis of his posts, shall we?)
"Don't say mean things. You's gonna get banned!" As I said, the rules say that such things in game chat are fine. And threats? Come on...
"Leaving, will respond later." Greeeeeaaat...
"PM me. DM and others are going to get banned! Leave it to private usergroups." What? More threats and telling us to go to a usergroup? If we had enough people in a usergroup, do you really thing we'd have this issue in the first place?
"Some stuff about moderators and behind the scenes and consistency... We're here to have fun and be whoever we want to be. Look at the bigotry thread! It's good!" Okay, great consistency work... Somebody locks the thread, anonymously with no reason, somebody else unlocks and moves the thread, and then somebody else locks the thread again. Seems the consistency work that you've been doing for a long time is working great! And yes, we are here to have fun, and be who we want to be. But we realize that not everybody wants to be like us. So... We go to the forums to recruit people who do. And then you stop us from doing that? Why would you do that? That does not make sense.
"Here's some stuff about new mods!" Totally off-topic, does not apply.

And now we've got a bunch of people saying "Don't beat a dead horse, your questions have been answered." etc. etc. All I have to say to that is, no, they haven't. The moderators are not having an open discussion with us. They are just repeating the same, tired comments over and over again. But, this being CC, and how the mods have delved into "Shut up!" and "If you don't like it, leave." it's pretty apparent that they don't have a real answer, that they know that and are just trying to save face. It's also means that, if history is any indication, that this thread is going to be locked pretty soon.

[AndyDufresne]

Again, lets not make this out to be anything more than what it is.

Flaming, Baiting, Spamming, are violations of the Community Guidelines.

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--Andy

[hecter]

Again, lets not make this out to be anything more than what it is.

Flaming, Baiting, Spamming, are violations of the Community Guidelines.

--Andy

Please explain how trying to find like minded people to play a game with is flaming, baiting and spamming.

[Minister Masket]

meh, I was expecting more drama from this thread.

/changes channel.

every single person in this thread is a ridiculous baby

Well, not everyone.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Again, lets not make this out to be anything more than what it is.

Flaming, Baiting, Spamming, are violations of the Community Guidelines.

--Andy

Please explain how trying to find like minded people to play a game with is flaming, baiting and spamming.

It's very apparent that it's the Moderators and other administrators who are, "flaming, baiting and spamming." You can also throw in a couple of threats and innuedoes of some type of severe retributions.

The Moderators have gone way overboard in this discussion. I think some of us hear the shut up or else warnings, over and over again.

The Fuckhead thread, clearly didn't break any guidelines. BUT, the Moderators are rounding their wagons and sticking to their story.

Boys and girls, we can't win this argument, C.C. administrators are bent on exterminating any REAL discussion on this subject. Prepare yourself for warnings, small vacations and permi-bans.

[targetman377]

Again, lets not make this out to be anything more than what it is.

Flaming, Baiting, Spamming, are violations of the Community Guidelines.

--Andy

Please explain how trying to find like minded people to play a game with is flaming, baiting and spamming.

It's very apparent that it's the Moderators and other administrators who are, "flaming, baiting and spamming." You can also throw in a couple of threats and innuedoes of some type of severe retributions.

The Moderators have gone way overboard in this discussion. I think some of us hear the shut up or else warnings, over and over again.

The Fuckhead thread, clearly didn't break any guidelines. BUT, the Moderators are rounding their wagons and sticking to their story.

Boys and girls, we can't win this argument, C.C. administrators are bent on exterminating any REAL discussion on this subject. Prepare yourself for warnings, small vacations and permi-bans.

they have answered your questions but u jsut dont want to here there answeres all you guys are doing is spaming this it would be nice if you stoped thanks

[xelabale]

I did not know there were fuckhead games until I read this thread. I'd love to join one of those as it would enhance my enjoyment of CC. Someone suggested I join in another thread I started, actually. So, I'd love to join this game if there are any slots available in it.

Also, I'd like to join future fuckhead games. Andy, is it okay if in the future games are posted in callouts for fuckhead games? Otherwise how will I know when they are on? Or are fuckhead games against the rules of the site? Or is it decriminalised - you can have the games, but don't try to encourage others to play - personal use only.

[DAZMCFC]

I did not know there were fuckhead games until I read this thread. I'd love to join one of those as it would enhance my enjoyment of CC. Someone suggested I join in another thread I started, actually. So, I'd love to join this game if there are any slots available in it.

Also, I'd like to join future fuckhead games. Andy, is it okay if in the future games are posted in callouts for fuckhead games? Otherwise how will I know when they are on? Or are fuckhead games against the rules of the site? Or is it decriminalised - you can have the games, but don't try to encourage others to play - personal use only.

this fuckhead game is full, but if you want to have a look. Game 5147285



for those who are easily offended, don't look.

[GENERAL STONEHAM]

Targetman, should wash that horrible brown stain on his/her nose.

[hecter]

I did not know there were fuckhead games until I read this thread. I'd love to join one of those as it would enhance my enjoyment of CC. Someone suggested I join in another thread I started, actually. So, I'd love to join this game if there are any slots available in it. Also, I'd like to join future fuckhead games.

Yes, feel free to check out the already started game (I've noticed that you have already). Anyway, I'm not entirely sure how you'll find out about future games... Sorry.

Andy, is it okay if in the future games are posted in callouts for fuckhead games? Otherwise how will I know when they are on? Or are fuckhead games against the rules of the site? Or is it decriminalised - you can have the games, but don't try to encourage others to play - personal use only.

It seems like he doesn't wish to answer your questions...