Romania map

by **Raskholnikov** on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:08 pm

How do you know how he feels? Are you a house-bound cancer survivor who has to deal with that every day of your life? How can you be so totally insensitive and self-involved???

by **the.killing.44** on Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:10 pm

Raskholnikov wrote:How do you know how he feels? Are you a house-bound cancer survivor who has to deal with that every day of your life? How can you be so totally insensitive and self-involved???

Uh, no, he means that he can see when he logs on, for how long he on CC, etc. Of course, my post is meaningless because of my age…

by **porkenbeans** on Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:25 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:
Raskholnikov wrote:How do you know how he feels? Are you a house-bound cancer survivor who has to deal with that every day of your life? How can you be so totally insensitive and self-involved???

Uh, no, he means that he can see when he logs on, for how long he on CC, etc. Of course, my post is meaningless because of my age…

When and how long, is meaningless. I log on every day with my first cup of coffee. I often do not log off, even though I am no longer at the computer.
You say you are only 15, and have the right to act immature. Trudat, but you do not have the right to disrespect your elders the way you do. I am old enough to be your grandfather. Please show just a little bit of respect, or if you can't, just leave me alone. Stop stalking and harassing me.

by **Raskholnikov** on Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:16 am

Hey Pork,

Actually this is the latest version we have:

by **porkenbeans** on Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:24 am

Raskholnikov wrote:Hey Pork,

Actually this is the latest version we have:

Yes I know, but that version is one hat photobucket messed up. I just through up a version that was not blurred out. I did not save a copy of that latest version and will have to just do it over. I have been working on it tonight a little. Will post it as soon as I can.

by **AndyDufresne** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:35 pm

porkenbeans wrote:
the.killing.44 wrote:
Raskholnikov wrote:How do you know how he feels? Are you a house-bound cancer survivor who has to deal with that every day of your life? How can you be so totally insensitive and self-involved???

Uh, no, he means that he can see when he logs on, for how long he on CC, etc. Of course, my post is meaningless because of my age…
When and how long, is meaningless. I log on every day with my first cup of coffee. I often do not log off, even though I am no longer at the computer.
You say you are only 15, and have the right to act immature. Trudat, but you do not have the right to disrespect your elders the way you do. I am old enough to be your grandfather. Please show just a little bit of respect, or if you can't, just leave me alone. Stop stalking and harassing me.

Respect should really have nothing to do with someone's age in the Foundry, be it old or young. Respect the work, the community, the suggestions, the concerns, etc.

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This map still looks like a bodily organ to me. The clash between the dislodged landscape and the picture is probably causing that. I'm not sure if it is because both are on the same visual clarity level---or what. Though generally, I'm also not a big fan of dislodged landscapes to begin with---though some maps can make it work (Germany, USA Map Pack, Brazil). I think those maps work because the background enhances the map, instead of trying to compete with the map visually, which I have a feeling yours is trying to do. That overwhelming/overpowering notion.

--Andy

by **porkenbeans** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:15 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:
the.killing.44 wrote:
Raskholnikov wrote:How do you know how he feels? Are you a house-bound cancer survivor who has to deal with that every day of your life? How can you be so totally insensitive and self-involved???

Uh, no, he means that he can see when he logs on, for how long he on CC, etc. Of course, my post is meaningless because of my age…
When and how long, is meaningless. I log on every day with my first cup of coffee. I often do not log off, even though I am no longer at the computer.
You say you are only 15, and have the right to act immature. Trudat, but you do not have the right to disrespect your elders the way you do. I am old enough to be your grandfather. Please show just a little bit of respect, or if you can't, just leave me alone. Stop stalking and harassing me.

Respect should really have nothing to do with someone's age in the Foundry, be it old or young. Respect the work, the community, the suggestions, the concerns, etc.

============

This map still looks like a bodily organ to me. The clash between the dislodged landscape and the picture is probably causing that. I'm not sure if it is because both are on the same visual clarity level---or what. Though generally, I'm also not a big fan of dislodged landscapes to begin with---though some maps can make it work (Germany, USA Map Pack, Brazil). I think those maps work because the background enhances the map, instead of trying to compete with the map visually, which I have a feeling yours is trying to do. That overwhelming/overpowering notion.

--Andy

Would you say that this IS or IS NOT being respectful -

This map is entirely pointless as well as being criminally hideous. I loved Conan the Barbarian, but this map looks like a diarrhea slick in a prehistoric square toilet. There is nothing that says Conan but the title. If there is some historic significance to Conan, it matters not, because it's not explicit in the map itself. It is quite obvious you are looking at the world in CC colored glasses, which is a mistake that many people make. They start seeing maps and saying 'wow this could be a cc map!", when in reality, COULD and SHOULD are entirely different. Could it be a CC map? Yes, CC has quite low standards these days. Should it be a CC map, of course not, it is quite literally a piece of shit. And whats with the squiggly territories? Please tell me that wasn't your idea. Nothing says Conan the Barbarian like a bunch of squiggly turd-like territories wedged together like they were extruded out of a designers rectum. And the names are suppose to be a joke right? Porkania ...Lackster...Optomus...Nobodies....Sully. Do these people really want to be corn kernels in your fecal party? The only good thing about this map is all the negative space you have in there. If there was anymore crap floating around in that space I would be forced to take a plunger to it.

My advice to you is this. Increase the amount of negative space you have about 500% until whatever is being excreted from the top of the map is entirely gone. Then go watch Conan the Barbarian. Come back with a map that incorporates Conan's themes in both the game play and design. Come up with own design, not some crap you googled. Then you might have something worth putting your time into.

Or, and this may be a better solution, you can just flush the entire thing down the foundry drain, wash your hands, slowly back out of the room, and pretend like you didn't stink up the place with the largest turd CC has seen since that Jamaica map a while back.

This belligerent tantrum was issued after the first rough draft of my Conan map. It was followed up with applause by one or two others of the peanut gallery.
I reported it, and got back no response.
Is this anything near being respective of others hard work ?
Is mibi such a god in this place, that he is allowed to treat people this way ?
FTR, this guy has seen fit to stalk every project that I am involved in. He has similar things to say in all of them.
Why in the hell is this kind of thing allowed to continue ?

by **the.killing.44** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:19 pm

porkenbeans wrote:Why in the hell is this kind of thing allowed to continue ?

Just three posts later, mibi said this:

mibi wrote:
the.killing.44 wrote:"…take this map back to the drawing board, take the drawing board back to Ikea…"

yeah that was one of my favorite lines. Tactix seem to take it and go on to be a better map maker. Perhaps it could happen here.

So why is it "allowed to continue?" See bold: because it works. It may be blunt, but you need to grow tough skin and realize it is some of the best criticism you're going to get. mib was referring to the Citadel thread, where upon taking mib's post into consideration, Tack came back with a wildly better map that was worthy of quench.

by **porkenbeans** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:52 pm

the.killing.44 wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:Why in the hell is this kind of thing allowed to continue ?

Just three posts later, mibi said this:
mibi wrote:
the.killing.44 wrote:"…take this map back to the drawing board, take the drawing board back to Ikea…"

yeah that was one of my favorite lines. Tactix seem to take it and go on to be a better map maker. Perhaps it could happen here.

So why is it "allowed to continue?" See bold: because it works. It may be blunt, but you need to grow tough skin and realize it is some of the best criticism you're going to get. mib was referring to the Citadel thread, where upon taking mib's post into consideration, Tack came back with a wildly better map that was worthy of quench.

So which is it, "have respect" or "disrespect works".

by **natty dread** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:43 pm

OMG, another debate in the foundry. Can't we keep these in GD or monkey business or whatever. I'd like to read about maps and their development when I come to the foundry.

by **RjBeals** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:06 pm

Click image to enlarge.

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Eh.. I sort of like them both. I'm not a fan of bevels on maps. And the photos built into the backgroun really make this map a bit cluttered. As others have suggested, remove all those little squiggily lines (rivers?).

Do your red impass lines represent some sort of district boundries? Or just random - beacuse why would you put one in that northern gray area? Which leads to - I was looking for the name of that northern gray area in the legend, but there is no gray name on the legend. Sort of strange using the territ name colors for bonus region names?.

Pork - I know you claim to have an artistic background, or graphic art experience (did I see you on 99designs maybe?) but I'm just not seeing it in your maps. You've yet to prove yourself to us, as mibi already has.

by **porkenbeans** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:14 pm

RjBeals wrote:
Click image to enlarge.

Click image to enlarge.

Eh.. I sort of like them both. I'm not a fan of bevels on maps. And the photos built into the backgroun really make this map a bit cluttered. As others have suggested, remove all those little squiggily lines (rivers?).

Do your red impass lines represent some sort of district boundries? Or just random - beacuse why would you put one in that northern gray area? Which leads to - I was looking for the name of that northern gray area in the legend, but there is no gray name on the legend. Sort of strange using the territ name colors for bonus region names?.

Pork - I know you claim to have an artistic background, or graphic art experience (did I see you on 99designs maybe?) but I'm just not seeing it in your maps. You've yet to prove yourself to us, as mibi already has.

RJ,
I appreciate your comments, as I have much respect for your artistic talents. Let me ask you a question. What is it about mibi and his superior abilities, that impress you so much. I do not see it personally. Maybe you could enlighten me a little ?
Show me any of his first drafts that are so impressive, that you and others would look the other way as he continues to flame me and my work at every turn. I do not care if he is the anointed one, He has no right to treat me or anyone else in such a manner. I just want to have some fun, and explore map making. He has gone out of his way to hinder me in that pursuit. If he or anyone else feels that someone else has zero talent, then why should they spend so much time telling them so ? This is NOT "constructive" criticism. It IS simply harassment. period.

by **AndyDufresne** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:32 pm

Lets keep the quoting of respect/disrespect out of this topic. No need to trudge every map through it. Work on the map, settle scores outside of the topic.

That aside, I think my point about the background trying to compete with the gameboard still stands. Visually, it feels like explosion in my eye.

--Andy

by **porkenbeans** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:55 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Lets keep the quoting of respect/disrespect out of this topic. No need to trudge every map through it. Work on the map, settle scores outside of the topic.

That aside, I think my point about the background trying to compete with the gameboard still stands. Visually, it feels like explosion in my eye.

--Andy

Yes I agree. I think that I have overworked my canvas. As i look at my first draft, I like the fact that it is much less complicated. Which is why I have decided to start over and begin with the feel of that first rough draft. I do like some of the elements of the overworked version, so I will try again. But this time I will try to make it less busy. 8-)

by **targetman377** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:08 pm

pork i really like this map!!! great job i think that the rivers are unique about your map keep up the good work just don't forget the bridge between the river on the red bones i like the differnt color one not the old map one just my personal opion but good work keep it up =D>

cant wait to play it!!!

by **AndyDufresne** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:44 pm

porkenbeans wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:Lets keep the quoting of respect/disrespect out of this topic. No need to trudge every map through it. Work on the map, settle scores outside of the topic.

That aside, I think my point about the background trying to compete with the gameboard still stands. Visually, it feels like explosion in my eye.

--Andy
Yes I agree. I think that I have overworked my canvas. As i look at my first draft, I like the fact that it is much less complicated. Which is why I have decided to start over and begin with the feel of that first rough draft. I do like some of the elements of the overworked version, so I will try again. But this time I will try to make it less busy.

Good to hear. Look forward to your next update. Best of luck.

--Andy

by **Raskholnikov** on Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:44 am

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And sorry, Andy, age has to do with a lot, even here, especially when that age is 15. One just can't get around certain realities just because one believes everyone is "equal" at all times everywhere. When it comes with maturity and life experience and ability to work in a team, being 15 is just not the same as being 35. I don't really want to have this debate with you here, but the kid keeps uttering utter inanities and you can't just keep saying it has nothing to do with his age when it clearly has everything to do with it. I just choose to igore him and I hope Pork can do the same.

by **yeti_c** on Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:34 pm

Ignoring a single voice in the foundry is like slapping the foundry with a wet fish.

This attitude is not what the foundry is here for - goto GD if you want to ignore people.

Every voice in the foundry should be and deserves to be listened to.

C.

by **porkenbeans** on Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:00 pm

yeti_c wrote:Ignoring a single voice in the foundry is like slapping the foundry with a wet fish.

This attitude is not what the foundry is here for - goto GD if you want to ignore people.

Every voice in the foundry should be and deserves to be listened to.

C.

That is BS yeti. I have routinely seen map makers foe people because of various conversations that go on in the Foundry. Personally, I am here to have a good time, and enjoy the process of map making. Not, to be harassed and lorded over by a juvenile delinquent, that treats me with only disrespect. If mibi has some constructive criticism to offer for the progression of this project, I will of coarse listen. But something tells me not to hold my breath. :lol:

BTW, I would also like to hear your offers of helpful suggs for the advancement of this project. That is why you are here, ...right ?

by **Raskholnikov** on Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:34 pm

It is very interesting to see how even senior Foundry members close ranks around "theirs" and defend what is utterly indefensible even when the attitude and vocabulary of these people blatantly fly in the face of every norm of civilised behaviour. Maybe "The Foundry" deserves to be slapped in the face with a (virtual) wet fish, then, from time to time, to be "gently" reminded that no one is exempt from the rules of politeness, civility, and respect for everyone, irrespective of the date they joined CC, their age, their rank, their number of posts, how many maps they have contributed to or what color their name is written in. I think those in charge of the Foundry would show leadership in this matter by putting their house in order first and ensuring that such rules are indeed followed by Foundry members themselves, rather than use their powers of censorship and suspension when "outsiders" dare to stand up to bullies who think they have a right to harrass, insult and demean others because "it works".

As an aside, please note the the.killing.44 is by no means misbehaving only here; he has been banned by a moderator for spamming:

Re: the.killing.44[Pending]

Postby lord voldemort on Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:30 pm
Spamming someone's inbox is annoying at the best of times. Even more annoying whilst someone is on a forum ban. It is just baiting a response and is a nuisance. Killing has been given the next level of punishment.

It is encouraging to see that there are moderators who actually do their job and enforce the rules against those who violate them rather than punish those who dare stand up to such bullies.

by **yeti_c** on Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:44 pm

No-one on my foe list for misdeeds in the foundry...

Anyone on yours?

C.

by **porkenbeans** on Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:02 pm

yeti_c wrote:No-one on my foe list for misdeeds in the foundry...

Anyone on yours?

C.

I have never foed a single person, in the more than 2 years, that I have been a member of CC.
Now how about some of those helpful suggestions. If you do not have any, why are you posting in this thread ?

by **SuicidalSnowman** on Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:16 am

:sigh:

by **SuicidalSnowman** on Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:16 am

oops double post...sorry

by **RedBaron0** on Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:42 am

Gentlemen, are we developing a map here or not? Feel free to reread the following guides on giving and receiving feedback; Draft Room Guidelines; and the general Mapmaker's Guide as it pertains to a draft.

A How To Guide: Giving and Receiving Feedback
Getting Started: Drafting Room Guidelines
Mapmaker's Guide to the Foundry

I may be new here, but I am not unfamiliar with the goings on and general dislike between all parties. It has been mentioned to you all that this behavior is totally counter productive and should be, for lack of a better term, "taken outside." Start a game together and take out your frustration on each other by killing one another's armies. I suggest: Supermax: Prison Riot! for a map. Enjoy!