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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Georgerx7di on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:13 pm

Robinette wrote:don't listen to George...

your bad dice streak was likely caused by the recent spike in sun spot activity...
Random.org uses cosmic static to create 'randon' dice, but when cosmic aberrations wreak havoc in the universe, then of course the randomness of our dice will change...

want proof?

http://www.spaceweather.com/

if it's too much to read and absorb, then at least look at the 'movie'...
http://www.spaceweather.com/images2010/05feb10/stereob_eruption_anim.gif?PHPSESSID=7qon074d39maap1f0cbqh63rs2

This is not true, but I'm sure robin was just screwing around, so I will not take the time to rebut this, unless anyone really wants to hear the answer.


but George does make some valid points...
I consider myself to be an above average player,
but would i have reached the #4 scoreboard position without avoiding making critical moves during high sunspot activity? especially considering i mostly played 6p std seq esc....

think about it... O:) ;)


Edit: I forgot to type my comment. The above is not true about the sun causing dice to change. I expect that I don't need to explain this.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby eddie2 on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:45 pm

am listening only thing nobody has commented on is the fact that do you think the data chip decides who is gonna win the game and everyone else is gonna lose. with bad die so its not down to tactics its down to who the data chip wants to win the game
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby alex951 on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:46 pm

so is 2012 gonna be the worst dice year ever! :o
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby jammyjames on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:50 pm

alex951 wrote:so is 2012 gonna be the worst dice year ever! :o


Very true point.. However maybe as the Mayan calander ends on 2012, they just gave up on making it go on further, so not the end of the world, just some fat man getting bored. :?:
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby alex951 on Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:57 pm

jammyjames wrote:
alex951 wrote:so is 2012 gonna be the worst dice year ever! :o


Very true point.. However maybe as the Mayan calander ends on 2012, they just gave up on making it go on further, so not the end of the world, just some fat man getting bored. :?:



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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby oVo on Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:18 pm

eddie2 wrote:20 v 1 losses and so on. like arms race 70 v missile launch and only getting 3 through somthing is f@##ed up with that.

This BS sounds like an urban legend that grows exponentially with every new post.

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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby natty dread on Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:35 pm

eddie2 wrote:am listening only thing nobody has commented on is the fact that do you think the data chip decides who is gonna win the game and everyone else is gonna lose. with bad die so its not down to tactics its down to who the data chip wants to win the game


Ok. What?
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby jefjef on Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:56 pm

The best way to check for "loaded" die is to throw it into a bucket of water. The heavy side will land on the bottom almost every time. And if the die is severely weighted, it will land heavy side down every time.


Lets toss the CC "random" dice in the toilet and see what shit floats.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby mpjh on Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:07 pm

Everyone knows that, if you circle the enemy twice with your cursor before attacking, you will get a good result on auto attack. "Good" may mean you lose as you deserve it.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby natty dread on Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:18 pm

Let's toss jefjef in the toilet... and see if shit indeed does float...
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby AAFitz on Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:57 pm

natty_dread wrote:Let's toss jefjef in the toilet... and see if shit indeed does float...


lets quote this for truth...and see if natty indeed does regret...
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby natty dread on Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:41 pm

AAFitz wrote:lets quote this for truth...and see if natty indeed does regret...


Ok, maybe I was being a bit harsh. After all, we wouldn't want to hurt jefjef's feelings.

I'll amend my statement.

Let's throw jefjef in the happy place with rainbows and fluffy bunnies and see if the unicorns come over to serve him strawberry cake.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby AAFitz on Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:08 pm

natty_dread wrote:
AAFitz wrote:lets quote this for truth...and see if natty indeed does regret...


Ok, maybe I was being a bit harsh. After all, we wouldn't want to hurt jefjef's feelings.

I'll amend my statement.

Let's throw jefjef in the happy place with rainbows and fluffy bunnies and see if the unicorns come over to serve him strawberry cake.


well, to be honest, i typed that before seeing his post...which makes it a little less out of the blue
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby natty dread on Sat Feb 06, 2010 8:29 pm

AAFitz wrote:
well, to be honest, i typed that before seeing his post...which makes it a little less out of the blue


Hey, I completely understand. I have a hard time not ignoring his posts as well.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Robinette on Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:22 pm

Robinette wrote:don't listen to George...

your bad dice streak was likely caused by the recent spike in sun spot activity..
Random.org uses cosmic static to create 'randon' dice, but when cosmic aberrations wreak havoc in the universe, then of course the randomness of our dice will change...
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Georgerx7di wrote:This is not true, but I'm sure robin was just screwing around, so I will not take the time to rebut this, unless anyone really wants to hear the answer.
The above is not true about the sun causing dice to change. I expect that I don't need to explain this.



You're awfully closed minded about this George... i suspect it's because you haven't even looked at the evidence...

Sunspots are actually the harbingers of magnetic activity on the Sun which can accelerate particles near the Sun to high energies, and eject them during flare events and Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs). It is the CME events, most common when sunspots are in evidence, which travel to Earth in a few days and can interfere with the terrestrial plasma environment, causing magnetic sub-storms, auroral activity, and influence everything from telecommunications to the electrical power grid.

Maybe if we put the size of these sunspots into perspective for you...
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I'm not saying this accounts for ALL the dice complaints... but this IS a big difference between rolling dice on a table, vs Random.org cosmic radiation noise to determine the dice...

So George... Do you REALLY believe that those sunspots DON'T have an effect on cosmic radiation... :-s
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby natty dread on Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:34 pm

I for one do believe it. After all, some scientist believe that 2012 a solar storm is coming that is of the scale that it may well disable all electric appliances on earth.

A solar storm of this scale was last observed in the 19th century. Back then there were a lot less electric appliances, but it was documented that people were able to send telegrams by electricity induced by the solar storm into the telegram wires, ie. with no outside power source whatsoever.

It's not so far fetched to assume that an increase in solar activity has been causing fluctuations in cosmic radiation, which affects random.org:s random number feed, which in turn affects CC dice.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Snowgun on Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:30 am

Real scientists know Randomness is only theoretical, and can't be duplicated empirically. 8-)

So f*ck yea, might as well add sun spots to tachyons as possible dice influences.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby jefjef on Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:38 am

AAFitz wrote:
natty_dread wrote:
AAFitz wrote:lets quote this for truth...and see if natty indeed does regret...


Ok, maybe I was being a bit harsh. After all, we wouldn't want to hurt jefjef's feelings.

I'll amend my statement.

Let's throw jefjef in the happy place with rainbows and fluffy bunnies and see if the unicorns come over to serve him strawberry cake.


well, to be honest, i typed that before seeing his post...which makes it a little less out of the blue


Damn thing brought me carrot cake and the pink elephant freaking ate it.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby Georgerx7di on Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:31 pm

Robinette wrote:
Robinette wrote:don't listen to George...

your bad dice streak was likely caused by the recent spike in sun spot activity..
Random.org uses cosmic static to create 'randon' dice, but when cosmic aberrations wreak havoc in the universe, then of course the randomness of our dice will change...
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Georgerx7di wrote:This is not true, but I'm sure robin was just screwing around, so I will not take the time to rebut this, unless anyone really wants to hear the answer.
The above is not true about the sun causing dice to change. I expect that I don't need to explain this.



You're awfully closed minded about this George... i suspect it's because you haven't even looked at the evidence...

Sunspots are actually the harbingers of magnetic activity on the Sun which can accelerate particles near the Sun to high energies, and eject them during flare events and Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs). It is the CME events, most common when sunspots are in evidence, which travel to Earth in a few days and can interfere with the terrestrial plasma environment, causing magnetic sub-storms, auroral activity, and influence everything from telecommunications to the electrical power grid.

Maybe if we put the size of these sunspots into perspective for you...
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I'm not saying this accounts for ALL the dice complaints... but this IS a big difference between rolling dice on a table, vs Random.org cosmic radiation noise to determine the dice...

So George... Do you REALLY believe that those sunspots DON'T have an effect on cosmic radiation... :-s



Robin sent me a pm just to talk shit, so now I have to respond to this. So here is your rebuttal, just for you sweet heart. And btw, I'm not going to break out any text books for this, so if I'm wrong feel free to correct me.

1. Cosmic background noise, as I remember, is radiation left over from the big bang. It is relatively low energy radiation because its frequency has been reduced over time by compton scattering. I don't believe that sunspots would put out much more radiation on this lower band.

2. Furthermore, and this is the big one. Attack and defense dice both come from the same generator, so if somehow all the numbers were shifted in one direction, (a lot more high or low numbers) then this would affect both attack and defense dice.

3. When the background noise is measure, it is not the amount that matters (frequency or energy) it is some insignificant decimal place. So if a random beam of radiation hits the detector and the frequency is 512,257.174 hz, it might be the first decimal place that they measure (the 1) so if the frequency of incoming radiation were to change (which doesn't happen since its leftover radiation from the big bang), it would not shift that number. Example, if higher frequency radiation was coming ins like 2,023,746.495, now its 2 million instead of five hundred thousand, but it is the 8 digit (the 4) that we are counting. So there would be no difference in dice.
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby eddie2 on Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:48 pm

he he them pictures look like the hive
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Re: everone who says dont blame the die

Postby natty dread on Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:57 pm

They do not measure the frequency of incoming radiation. That would be impossible, since there's and infinite amount of frequencies in cosmic radiation. To compare static noise to radio stations, you would have an infinite amount of radio stations all broadcasting simultaneously on top of each other. You can test this by turning your AM radio on and scanning the frequency scale between the stations: you will hear static noise on any frequency.

Instead, what they do (as far as I understand) is to pick a frequency that has static noise, but no other radio traffic, then run it through a ADC* and sample it: for example let's say at 16 bits, and let's say the frequency is 500 kHz, then you would have - per second - 500 000 samples that each contain a 16-bit numerical value representing the amplitude of the wave. Since they're sampling static noise, the amplitude will be different in each sample - in other words, random: Noise has no waveform, it's completely random fluctuations of amplitude. Then, these 16-bit numbers would be used as the random numbers.

*ADC: analog-digital converter
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