[GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

[Timur the Lame]

Why?....seriously. Why would you deny somebody the option of dropping a game? A person is going to do one of two things, drop a game or not play the next consecutive 72 hours and then get automatically dropped.

He drops, his armies go neutral and the game progresses instead of stopping. I dont get it, whats the difference between somebody dead-beating and somebody dropping?

[jefjef]

Why?....seriously. Why would you deny somebody the option of dropping a game? A person is going to do one of two things, drop a game or not play the next consecutive 72 hours and then get automatically dropped.

He drops, his armies go neutral and the game progresses instead of stopping. I dont get it, whats the difference between somebody dead-beating and somebody dropping?

This would be abused. Plain and simple. Intentional deadbeating is a rules violation. Why not JUST PLAY THE GAME?

[Timur the Lame]

How would this be abused and so what if it was. Somebody drops out of a game then you come out the winner. Intentional deadbeating IS a rules viloation. Yet it is an unenforcable and unenforced rule.

"WHy not just play the game?" Yes. I yell this at the computer game all the time. Yet, deadbeaters keep deadbeating.

[jefjef]

How would this be abused and so what if it was. Somebody drops out of a game then you come out the winner. Intentional deadbeating IS a rules viloation. Yet it is an unenforcable and unenforced rule.

"WHy not just play the game?" Yes. I yell this at the computer game all the time. Yet, deadbeaters keep deadbeating.

Yes intentional is enforced.

Most deadbeats are a) ?

They don't bother coming back to play. Why would they bother to drop the game?

Many peeps have been busted for intentional points dumping. This would make it all too easy.

[Orc666]

there must be a way to do it without it being open to abuse , especially in speed games it would be great to have it.

[AAFitz]

Long build-games: fun when you're strongest, not when you aren't. Gotcha.

Unless the stongest gets smashed and you come back to win. Then its possibly one of the more fun games you may ever have.

[TheForgivenOne]

I say no

So many people would abuse this, as JefJef said.

How? Multi's would do it, People don't like their drop, and all of a sudden Someone has 3 neutrals blocking the only access to a bonus, making it easy to hold, probably secret diplomacies or friends would abuse this somehow, etc etc

[Timur the Lame]

First off, Jefjef has nothing better than to shoot down every proposal that is put up here. Second, everybody here is worried about people "abusing the system." Newsflash....its already abused. At least give somebody the option to make your game go faster.

[Thomassaurus]

I say no. For people wanting a good game it would get annoying when your winning the game and everybody losing drops out.
A good sport should stick to his game.

[Timur the Lame]

Well thats what you dont understand. The person would simply STOP playing and so you would just have to wait the 72 hours for them to deadbeat whereas with a dropout button the person might be considerate enough to actually drop out. Why would you assume that somebody would just continue playing because there wasnt a drop out button?

"Oh well, i guess since theres no drop out button I will have to keep playing."

Uh no. The person WOULD STILL quit only he would deadbeat instead.

[Thomassaurus]

People shouldn't deadbeat anyway.
Like jefjef said people would abuse this, they would use this more often then deadbeating.

[Timur the Lame]

"People shouldn't deadbeat anyway"

Thats genius. Ill pass on the message to everyone.

[HighlanderAttack]

There's already an easy solution to this problem. It's $25 a year of premium membership. That's only $0.07 a day. Then you can play 1250 games at once!

LMAO

Now how could you come up with a nice round number like 1250

[TheForgivenOne]

In sports, the losing team doesn't just say "Were done" and leave. They have to finish the game. In an 8 player game, if one player is obviously winning, i bet you that the rest of the players, realizing there is no chance, would ALL drop out. That just takes all the fun out of winning. There would basically be no games that ever finish, since whenever someone started to lose, they'd leave, especially in 1v1. Someone doesn't like their drop? They drop the game. It totally ruins the game

[cena-rules]

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

Both of these rules would be broken with the use of a drop game button. The premise is simple, fight to the death or dont fight at all

[Thomassaurus]

I'v got an idea. There cold be a vacation button. It would automatically drop you out of any game when it gets to your turn and not allow you to join any other games.
When you get back you can turn it off.

[iamkoolerthanu]

I'v got an idea. There cold be a vacation button. It would automatically drop you out of any game when it gets to your turn and not allow you to join any other games.
When you get back you can turn it off.

LOL
I dont think this is a good idea, it could be abused very easily. I see what you are saying, and how if used properly and not abused, how it could be very good and useful, but if implemented, it would be abused, making much more harm then it would do good.

[Blinkadyblink]

Other people point dumping doesn't hurt me (or anyone, really.)

Other people deadbeating, or suiciding, because they don't have an option to drop the game does hurt me because it makes me wait longer for turns.

I would gladly allow more point dumping if it meant less deadbeating/suiciding.

Also, I think that the concern that people will drop games that they are losing is addressed very well by the vacation mode idea.

So, there's really no good reason not to add a drop game button (although there are many "to-do" suggestions that I'd like to see first.)

[TheForgivenOne]

Other people point dumping doesn't hurt me (or anyone, really.)

Other people deadbeating, or suiciding, because they don't have an option to drop the game does hurt me because it makes me wait longer for turns.

I would gladly allow more point dumping if it meant less deadbeating/suiciding.

Also, I think that the concern that people will drop games that they are losing is addressed very well by the vacation mode idea.

So, there's really no good reason not to add a drop game button (although there are many "to-do" suggestions that I'd like to see first.)

Why do you think they removed it way back when they had this button?

[Blinkadyblink]

If I had to guess, I would say that it was probably due to people quitting as soon as they realized that they would lose, and taking the fun out of winning a game. As I said in my last post, this would be solved by the vacation mode idea.

[TheForgivenOne]

If I had to guess, I would say that it was probably due to people quitting as soon as they realized that they would lose, and taking the fun out of winning a game. As I said in my last post, this would be solved by the vacation mode idea.

Well, if you like it, then open a new thread, or go find one and support it

[epicethan]

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

Both of these rules would be broken with the use of a drop game button. The premise is simple, fight to the death or dont fight at all

Obviously they would be broken, but look around you, all of these unwritten "rules" are being abused by hundreds of players daily. The reason I suggested this in the first place was to speed up a slow game. Yes, I realize that some people will make the argument: "Yes, to speed up the point dumping" They are going to find a way to do it anyways.

And just for the record, if some of you are deadbeaters and spend you're lives on this game just to gain a new rank or two, I am truly sorry that the best part of your day is when you log in to CC and realize that your second character has gained 20 points.

As for the players that enjoy playing the game in its entirety, I appreciate you're concern for the deadbeaters and all about their point dumping schemes. But, if you truly do enjoy playing the game, points should not mean anything to you and you should play for the sole purpose to have fun, not to gain a higher rank. You get to live with the fact that you are better than they are from a risk (and possibly life) perspective.

Again, the intent of this was just a suggestion to make life easier for the people who enjoy this game, not for the deadbeaters.

[Timur the Lame]

People seem to think that not including a drop button will force people to play. Let me reiterate for the people who just dont get it. If someone has decided to drop the game, then they will do so. If there is no option to do so then they will just deadbeat which is the exact same thing as dropping only they make you wait 72 hours.

The choices arent drop or play they are drop or deadbeat. Not having a drop button DOES NOT FORCE PEOPLE TO PLAY. "Oh well gee...theres no button, I guess I HAVE to play now."

[Meister]

Once a game is nearing the end, a player, who is evidently going to lose should have the option to surrender. This would end games quicker and not have to take turns to play out the obvious. Obviously this would be up to the losing player to do. Also in general a surrender option is good for other scenarios like if player knows he/she will be unable to play for the next few days, then they can opt to surrender and avoid making the other player(s) in that game wait 24 hours for them to just miss a turn(s)


[b]Specifics:
When it is your turn there should be an additional option that pops up when you are fortifying that says 'surrender'

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
It will end games quicker instead of playing out those boring last turns when a winner is obvious
Players can get to their next game quicker
Doesn't make the winners wait for another player to not take their turns or draw out a forgone conclusion

[Thomassaurus]

People seem to think that not including a drop button will force people to play. Let me reiterate for the people who just dont get it. If someone has decided to drop the game, then they will do so. If there is no option to do so then they will just deadbeat which is the exact same thing as dropping only they make you wait 72 hours.
The choices arent drop or play they are drop or deadbeat. Not having a drop button DOES NOT FORCE PEOPLE TO PLAY. "Oh well gee...theres no button, I guess I HAVE to play now."

Not everyone deadbeats. Most people hopefully play till the end of the game. In the rules it says "NO intentional deadbeating" if they added a drop game button they would be encouraging it. And A LOT more people would use it.