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Iliad wrote:...this was hardly a thoughtless holiday but seems to establishing diplomatic relations just as actual Presidential visits do.
Isn't that everything you're mandated to despise?Iliad wrote:Also it seems to me that the spending was partly to foster the image of American superiority. Doesn't this trip serve as America's status of wealth and power to the world?
Yes.Iliad wrote:...(or would you prefer that your Presidents wife is seen in some 3 star hotel?)
Sure, it's a gotcha moment from conservatives...no argument at all. It's also absolutely an issue.Iliad wrote: This isn't an issue. This is a Gotcha! moment from the conservatives.
What diplomatic relations were established here?Iliad wrote:Yes, Presidential trips cost money. However this was hardly a thoughtless holiday but seems to establishing diplomatic relations just as actual Presidential visits do.
The whole trip was made to unofficial purposes. So using government funds to do it is the discussion here.Iliad wrote:Also it seems to me that the spending was partly to foster the image of American superiority. Doesn't this trip serve as America's status of wealth and power to the world? Or at least Spanish people?(or would you prefer that your Presidents wife is seen in some 3 star hotel?)
It's only a "not important issue" if you don't mind burning $75k of taxpayer money on a vacation. I mind that.Iliad wrote:Some things levelled at this holiday are true and could merit discussion. She could've gone on holiday in America for example to the Gulf. Obviously it was decided that a holiday in Spain would be more beneficial(reasons above). I wouldn't mind a discussion of the pro and cons of travelling abroad instead of locally. I definitely mind this being treated like a very serious issue with conservatives climbing on top of their soapboxes.
INSIGNIFICANT???????? This is the worst economy in my lifetime. Insignificant? I think not. Of course this is coming from someone who pays taxes. Maybe those who don't pay taxes think this is INSIGNIFICANT!BigBallinStalin wrote:I like the anti-liberal slant here. Have the previous posters ever thought about such insignificant events without politicizing it?
JESUS SAVES!!!PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
He's just a lib sniper. Don't worry. The guy just shoots mindless one liners time and time again. I got something for you BBSjay_a2j wrote:INSIGNIFICANT???????? This is the worst economy in my lifetime. Insignificant? I think not. Of course this is coming from someone who pays taxes. Maybe those who don't pay taxes think this is INSIGNIFICANT!BigBallinStalin wrote:I like the anti-liberal slant here. Have the previous posters ever thought about such insignificant events without politicizing it?
Yes, because conservative politicians are never loose with taxpayer funds.Victor Sullivan wrote:See this is why I vote for conservative politicians.
Well then, I suppose you need to live longer.jay_a2j wrote:INSIGNIFICANT???????? This is the worst economy in my lifetime. Insignificant? I think not. Of course this is coming from someone who pays taxes. Maybe those who don't pay taxes think this is INSIGNIFICANT!

You have a point but let me also add interest rates on savings are dookie and there are unprecedented level of taxes and "fees."tzor wrote:Well then, I suppose you need to live longer.jay_a2j wrote:INSIGNIFICANT???????? This is the worst economy in my lifetime. Insignificant? I think not. Of course this is coming from someone who pays taxes. Maybe those who don't pay taxes think this is INSIGNIFICANT!While the unemployment is exceptionally high, inflation is wonderfully low. In my lifetime the "stagflation" of the Ford/Carter administrations were generaly worse than they are today, although I am not complaining because as a college student I completely abused the system getting student loans with a rate BELOW that of inflation at the time.
Unprecedented?ViperOverLord wrote:You have a point but let me also add interest rates on savings are dookie and there are unprecedented level of taxes and "fees."tzor wrote:Well then, I suppose you need to live longer.jay_a2j wrote:INSIGNIFICANT???????? This is the worst economy in my lifetime. Insignificant? I think not. Of course this is coming from someone who pays taxes. Maybe those who don't pay taxes think this is INSIGNIFICANT!While the unemployment is exceptionally high, inflation is wonderfully low. In my lifetime the "stagflation" of the Ford/Carter administrations were generaly worse than they are today, although I am not complaining because as a college student I completely abused the system getting student loans with a rate BELOW that of inflation at the time.
and, exactly the same reason why I's and R's voted for Obama. Conservatives know the republicans dropped the ball. I have always considered myself independent, but the leftism I see now AND I saw under Bush nudges me to the right by default. At least I respect the conservatives for admitting it was a problem and they did not practice what they preach (the does not mean they would vote for John Kerry!) and welcoming the Tea Party as a direct response to out of control FEDERAL spending.Woodruff wrote:Yes, because conservative politicians are never loose with taxpayer funds.Victor Sullivan wrote:See this is why I vote for conservative politicians.
Where do your wages come from?jay_a2j wrote:INSIGNIFICANT???????? This is the worst economy in my lifetime. Insignificant? I think not. Of course this is coming from someone who pays taxes. Maybe those who don't pay taxes think this is INSIGNIFICANT!BigBallinStalin wrote:I like the anti-liberal slant here. Have the previous posters ever thought about such insignificant events without politicizing it?
AAFitz wrote:Where do your wages come from?jay_a2j wrote:INSIGNIFICANT???????? This is the worst economy in my lifetime. Insignificant? I think not. Of course this is coming from someone who pays taxes. Maybe those who don't pay taxes think this is INSIGNIFICANT!BigBallinStalin wrote:I like the anti-liberal slant here. Have the previous posters ever thought about such insignificant events without politicizing it?
JESUS SAVES!!!PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
Far be it from me to defend Jay, but...how is that relevant?AAFitz wrote:Where do your wages come from?jay_a2j wrote:INSIGNIFICANT???????? This is the worst economy in my lifetime. Insignificant? I think not. Of course this is coming from someone who pays taxes. Maybe those who don't pay taxes think this is INSIGNIFICANT!BigBallinStalin wrote:I like the anti-liberal slant here. Have the previous posters ever thought about such insignificant events without politicizing it?
That doesn't show any relevance to being outraged at excessive government spending unless one believes that prison guards would fall under "excess"...which I seriously doubt AAFitz believes (I hope not, certainly).Army of GOD wrote:Maybe because AAFudge knows jay is a prison guard (right?) and he's trying to prove a point that the state is giving him the money in the first place?
I think?
Army of GOD wrote:Maybe because AAFudge knows jay is a prison guard (right?) and he's trying to prove a point that the state is giving him the money in the first place?
I think?
JESUS SAVES!!!PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.