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Re: Points system

Postby SirSebstar on Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:37 am

KoE_Sirius wrote:I won't flog a dead horse.The ranking system of conquer is a funny thing.
Boosters,cheats and risksnobs prosper.
Suiciders,turn skippers and non-strategic player do not.
For all the players actually joining in with the conquerclub experience and holding a rank above SGT,a win ratio above 25% and more then 25 medals fairplay to you.


kudo's. in this i agree with you. even that the ranking system is funny.
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Re: Points system

Postby natty dread on Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:19 am

dont let imaginary points distract you from having a fun game.


This should be written on the first page you see when you sign up.
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Re: Points system

Postby KoE_Sirius on Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:30 pm

natty_dread wrote:
dont let imaginary points distract you from having a fun game.


This should be written on the first page you see when you sign up.

QFT...best idea to come out of this thread so far.
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Re: Points system

Postby ksslemp on Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:25 pm

On my way to playing all the maps from A-Z. Holding a 55 winning percentage and have lost almost 400 points so far.

If this doesnt make you see that the scoring system is screwed up, well then you're pretty f'uckin' dense!
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Re: Points system

Postby jefjef on Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:02 am

SirSebstar wrote:I understand the current point-system, and though its not entirely fair, i'd like to hear a better one instead of whats wrong with this one.


A minimum of points won and a maximum lost.

Say 10 minimum per player win and 30 maximum per player loss.
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Re: Points system

Postby MichelSableheart on Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:51 am

ksslemp wrote:On my way to playing all the maps from A-Z. Holding a 55 winning percentage and have lost almost 400 points so far.

If this doesnt make you see that the scoring system is screwed up, well then you're pretty f'uckin' dense!
I'm not entirely sure what the average score on CC is. All players start at 1000 points, but new recruits who dissappear usually lose more games then they win, so the actual average will be higher. The below assumes that the average point total is 1000. Because the actual average is higher, the winpercentage needed to maintain your score will be lower, and the point total on which you should stabilize will be higher, but they should make the idea clear.

You have a score of 2500. Those scores express that if you play a game against an opponent with 1000 points (the assumed average), you are expected to win roughly 6 games for every game they win. If you don't hold a winning percentage of 85%, you don't do as well as your score implies, meaning that your score is likely higher then it should be and you should lose points.

If you maintain a win percentage of 55% in 1v1 games, and the average opponent you play has a score of 1000, the score that actually reflects that you win 55% of the time is 1100.

Based on the data you have given, you are ranked far higher then your actual results say you should, even after the 400 point loss. So why are those 400 points lost an indication of a screwed up system?

JefJef wrote:A minimum of points won and a maximum lost.

Say 10 minimum per player win and 30 maximum per player loss.
Or a minimum won of 1 and a maximum lost of 100, as we currently have?
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Re: Points system

Postby SirSebstar on Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:53 am

jefjef wrote:
SirSebstar wrote:I understand the current point-system, and though its not entirely fair, i'd like to hear a better one instead of whats wrong with this one.


A minimum of points won and a maximum lost.

Say 10 minimum per player win and 30 maximum per player loss.


not to crack you down, but this only means premium players/ players who play lots of games have a huge advantage. basicly you can be as bad as a cook, but if you play 10k games 1vs1 in a month and win 51% you'd still be in the top of the ranking
to stay on top now you have to pick your battles, but if you are just good you will surface high anyways. I am not talking about conqueror, but anybody who is good can make major or colonel.
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Re: Points system

Postby greenoaks on Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:30 am

according to Map GL i am a Colonel on 1 map but on most that i've played i am a Cook

i believe that is an accurate reflection of my abilities
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Re: Points system

Postby ksslemp on Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:58 am

MichelSableheart wrote:
ksslemp wrote:On my way to playing all the maps from A-Z. Holding a 55 winning percentage and have lost almost 400 points so far.

If this doesnt make you see that the scoring system is screwed up, well then you're pretty f'uckin' dense!
I'm not entirely sure what the average score on CC is. All players start at 1000 points, but new recruits who dissappear usually lose more games then they win, so the actual average will be higher. The below assumes that the average point total is 1000. Because the actual average is higher, the winpercentage needed to maintain your score will be lower, and the point total on which you should stabilize will be higher, but they should make the idea clear.

You have a score of 2500. Those scores express that if you play a game against an opponent with 1000 points (the assumed average), you are expected to win roughly 6 games for every game they win. If you don't hold a winning percentage of 85%, you don't do as well as your score implies, meaning that your score is likely higher then it should be and you should lose points.

If you maintain a win percentage of 55% in 1v1 games, and the average opponent you play has a score of 1000, the score that actually reflects that you win 55% of the time is 1100.

Based on the data you have given, you are ranked far higher then your actual results say you should, even after the 400 point loss. So why are those 400 points lost an indication of a screwed up system?


You've made my point! Thank you.
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Re: Points system

Postby SirSebstar on Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:03 am

eh ksslemp,
He made the opposite of your point. You suggest higher fixed points for win he is stating that although he is highranked for points he has no real merit being so high ranked, so any pointloss will only lead him to the right place.
Most agree the current pointsystem has its drawbacks. I posed the question how i can be made better. you suggestion has even bigger flaws in that playing lots of games will inflate your score but does not represent your skill.

In the topscoreboard there are a few highrankers with low games. They have to be good, but if they are that good we do not know. Anybody who nears 10K games and maintains a certain rank throughout is very good.. (obviously depending on the rank)
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Re: Points system

Postby ksslemp on Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:08 am

SirSebstar wrote:eh ksslemp,
He made the opposite of your point. You suggest higher fixed points for win he is stating that although he is highranked for points he has no real merit being so high ranked, so any pointloss will only lead him to the right place.
Most agree the current pointsystem has its drawbacks. I posed the question how i can be made better. you suggestion has even bigger flaws in that playing lots of games will inflate your score but does not represent your skill.

In the topscoreboard there are a few highrankers with low games. They have to be good, but if they are that good we do not know. Anybody who nears 10K games and maintains a certain rank throughout is very good.. (obviously depending on the rank)


Was just making him aware that he agreed that the points system is screwed up.
By his observation and your winning % and points total, you should be a COOK!

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Re: Points system

Postby KoE_Sirius on Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:34 am

ksslemp wrote:
SirSebstar wrote:eh ksslemp,
He made the opposite of your point. You suggest higher fixed points for win he is stating that although he is highranked for points he has no real merit being so high ranked, so any pointloss will only lead him to the right place.
Most agree the current pointsystem has its drawbacks. I posed the question how i can be made better. you suggestion has even bigger flaws in that playing lots of games will inflate your score but does not represent your skill.

In the topscoreboard there are a few highrankers with low games. They have to be good, but if they are that good we do not know. Anybody who nears 10K games and maintains a certain rank throughout is very good.. (obviously depending on the rank)


Was just making him aware that he agreed that the points system is screwed up.
By his observation and your winning % and points total, you should be a COOK!

:-)

You mostly play 1v1 games by the looks of it.Law of averages says u will win 50%.So you have 55%,which makes You a little better then Average.Now trying playing an A-Z of maps with 8 player games when a 12.5% chance of winning comes into play.Then we can see how corrupt the points system is then.It won't be 400 points you lose it'll be 5000 lol
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Re: Points system

Postby MichelSableheart on Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:41 am

I agree that by specializing in certain settings (large multiplayer games, teamgames with a lowranked opponent), it is possible to boost your rating past the point where it actually reflects your ability in 1v1 play.

However, you seem to be arguing that it's unfair that high ranked players lose more points if they lose. I completely fail to see how my previous post supported that argument.
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Re: Points system

Postby KoE_Sirius on Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:59 am

MichelSableheart wrote:I agree that by specializing in certain settings (large multiplayer games, teamgames with a lowranked opponent), it is possible to boost your rating past the point where it actually reflects your ability in 1v1 play.

However, you seem to be arguing that it's unfair that high ranked players lose more points if they lose. I completely fail to see how my previous post supported that argument.

Yeah I'm not taking sides you both have a point.
I think the ranking system is a funny thing.
I have heard of ideas of monthly scoreboards etc.They seem like a really good idea.
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Re: Points system

Postby SirSebstar on Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:14 am

just FYI my winpercentage is 45% and the majority of my games are not 1vs1....
ksslemp wrote:
Was just making him aware that he agreed that the points system is screwed up.
By his observation and your winning % and points total, you should be a COOK!

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