Im truly surprised others didnt pick up on some of this guys. PMC defending himself has brought about ALOT of suspicions for me.
Guys, Kranos is pushing this case hard. Such like a few pushed against Zimmah, and in the end, PMC was stuck as the next case just because he was finishing the case EVERYONE ELSE started.
Going through, Kranos mentioned somewhere (P.23 somewhere) saying "going against the grain was not good". Well, I feel that this is quite scummy personally. Because last I checked, Zimmah went against the grain. And he was released after getting a few votes on him, with no claim, and really no results.
strike wolf wrote:This thread i frustrating. Read back through. If anything the Jonty case is probably the best case that's been previously presented don't feel like restating anything that's been said but will have something to add at the end of the post. Couple of new players acting a bit suspicious but well within range of newbie behavior. blah blah blah. blah blah blah. The Zimmah thing's been milked so much that the cow's producing sand. Not sure I really buy PMC's going against the grain argument as his posts seemed to shift from defending Zimmah and going against Freezie to questioning Zimmah before attention was shifted elsewhere. Fircoal hasn't posted since towards the start of the Zimmah case (though to be fair it looks like he was gone for most of the last week). A few people who seem to be trying to blend in with the crowd (shield and some7hingclever included).
On top of Jonty's previous cases this post just looks like easy bandwagon hopping:
jonty125 wrote:jonty125 wrote:PMC case is much better than the zimmah case unvote vote pmc
EBWOP
I'll go ahead and
vote jonty
I feel like people who attempt to cast as much suspicion as possible among tons of people such as stike wolf has done here doesnt do anything for town. Cases are built on more than this, even though its day 1. After all that has been posted, I know there are better cases to be made than this one.
And speaking of blending in, guess who I had forgotten was in the game up till this point! Popping in to point the suspicion a different direction!
Iron Butterfly wrote:nagerous wrote:Pmchugh can you not concede that the majority of the town had been bored of this discussion and yet you continued to push zimmah and continue on an un-necessary debate thus creating stagnation in the game and frustrating the other members? I think the frustration you caused is indicative in the current vote count.
Since you currently are the bandwagon du jour, please give me 3 short concise reasons why I shouldn't vote you.
I am curious how 3 short concise reasons will make you think otherwise. What three things can he say that would make you remove suspicion? He cant come out and say "Im really Town so if you hang me it will be a mistake."
Sorry for not posting. I wont make excuses..ok I will... I just feel folks have been chasing shadows. I have found it hard getting involved in the Zimma/Freezie circle of life. Though It looks to be dieing down it has been a bit tedious.
Iron Butterfly, I crown you as one of the most logical people I have read into at this point in time! If it doesnt say for itself, I am half way done with P25, and my list of scummy people at this point in time include: Zimmah, Strike Wolf, and Nag
nagerous wrote:shieldgenerator7 wrote:I know what you mean PMC. I get highly suspicious of nag and edoc when all they do is post one-liners. It seems to me that they do that as a subconscious habit or clever tactic when they're scum. But that's meta-gaming for you.
I want to hear three reasons why nag suspects you, and have reasons of my own, but I've already posted them/will not repost them until nag answers.
BTW PMC you're still on my scum list.
-SG7 (
)
Where did I say I suspected pmc?
Well nag, I dont know about you, but I normally like to vote for people when I have 3+ reasons as to why they are scummy. By asking for PMC to give you 3 concise reasons for you not to vote him, I sure hope you had your suspicions, and werent just fishing for reasons to jump on the bandwagon.
kratos644 wrote:What is really tricky is how Some7hingCLEVER continues to post a bunch of fluff to appear active but has no real substance to add anywhere...
True..But you know what is also really tricky? The fact that you were heading the case just 2 pages ago and now others are taking control and you are no longer really pushing on PMC. Funny how things like that work. You know, switching pressure everywhere by taking majority thought (everyone hates the pressure on Zimmah) and applying it to the person continuing to pressure.
shieldgenerator7 wrote:nagerous wrote:I am not being tricky, I just don't like being misquoted..
ok, understandable
Uhh, you know, people have said your scummy for trying to blend in. I am wondering why that is understandable and immediately UN-applied pressure. Are you crazy, or are you his scum buddy, because I encourage everyone to go back and read the top of page 26. This did not excuse Nag for attempting to find a reason to jump on the PMC BW. If anything, it should have switched it to Nag (the pressure that is) for his Bull crap (no offense, but 3 reasons NOT TO VOTE PMC?). How does no one catch this guys? Are you truly that caught up in the case against PMC to realize that Nag has basically told PMC that he needs to come up with 3 reasons why Nag shouldnt vote him? We build cases here. We dont expect players to magically come up with 3 reasons why no one should vote them. You CANT.
pmchugh wrote:TA1LGUNN3R wrote::| Why are we still discussing the zimmah thing?
-Tails
We aren't?
nagerous wrote:pmchugh wrote:nagerous wrote:pmchugh wrote:So what IS your opinion nag?
Maybe you want to do me the honour of answering my questions before I bother to answer yours..
I believe I have answered everything you have thrown at me. Or correctly refused to answer your questions, as in the "give me 3 reasons not to". Since you are so desperate:
1. I am town.
2. I am town.
3. I am useful town.
How about you give me something to answer?
Yeah, that you are an absolute twat.
Hmm, this one is too well thought out. I could think for a million years and I still wouldn't come up with a worthy reply to your well reasoned arguments.
Who was saying the players were just trying to fit in? Because whoever it is, I want to officially introduce you to TailGunner. Oh, thats right. Please feel free to scroll up to the top where strikewolf accused CLEVER and SG7 of exactly that. Connected in my mind.
Nearly done with Page 28, just a couple more posts. 1 thing I must say is that PCM from my experience is rather inactive. Nothing that I can truly pin him for, but in my opinion, PMC v PCM seems to be a town v town case.
Clever jumps all over the board with activity. Some games, he is inactive. Others, he is half active, half inactive. Most, he attempts to make the cases and figure out everything as he goes, and does relatively okay. In this case, I think he is trying to give little imput. Maybe either because he doesnt think the cases given are good ones, maybe because he is scum. He is not on the top of my list of potential scum.
Well, for now I think its time for me to go. 1 am, I have to wake up in 6 1/2 hours. I will finish reading up tomorrow or the day after, but for now I end at the end of page 28.
More seriously, on day 1 you have to try and come up with ideas and cases and voice suspicions, to cast off all day 1 chat to "meaningless debate" doesn't help at all. You have to try and contribute or else you will never find scum. Day 1 in Power Role Draft we caught scum and I have seen godfathers lynched day 1. So I suggest everyone stops this "giving up" attitude and responds to what we have in this thread because there is plenty of it there to go off of.
