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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18)

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:59 am

kratos644 wrote:
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Rodion wrote:Kratos, how do you feel about Clever and Jonty's votes on PMC?

Clever is definitely the one that strikes me as the scummier of the two. That might just be due to I've been in games with jonty before but not with clever. For example jonty did this stuff in the first pokemon mafia and ended up being the town's poison doctor if I recall properly.

As you can see I mentioned a few pages back clever continues to post fluff to appear active and even when he is posting with "substance" it's usually just piggybacking what others have said. I don't want to vote him until I reread and put a solid case together or until someone else does the same but I'm awfully busy this weekend so that probably won't happen until Monday at the earliest.


and as you can see i promptly responded explaining that i was one of the active pursuers in the zimmah case. and quite frankly im doing the same thing half the damn game is doing being silent. for example VS who hasnt posted for a long ass time and then came in a few post ago to tell you he wasnt gonna talk. and thats exactly what i am doing but i have the curtesy to say one of two things. when i see something worth saying anything then maybe ill say something but right now people are still bickering back and forth. and its annoying and honestly reading it hurts my ears..i have an ear infection.

I realize what VS has been doing and were it anyone else I would've already been pushing a case against them but that's just VS for you. I suppose part of this comes from the fact that I've never played a game of mafia with you so I have nothing to make comparisons to and like I said I need to reread when I have more time. After I go back and reread things it's possible my suspicions of you will fade and I'll find a different case.


agreed playing a game with someone for the first time can throw you off as i only started playing a few months ago. but please if you have anything on me go ahead reread it and post it if your suspicion still lies and i will do my best to defend against it.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18)

Postby zimmah on Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:15 pm

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Rodion wrote:I see a growing trend into ending the PMC BW and starting one on Jonty. I'll say that Jonty always strikes me as the kind of guy that will sheep votes, so he's not more scummy in this particular game for doing something he always does. If we are going Jonty in a move that from my point of view seems to be a policy lynch, why not VS instead? To me VS's meta is more anti-town than Jonty's and would therefore make for a slightly better PL.

As far as finding behaviour that actually makes me think someone is more likely to be scum than your average player, I'm still at a loss.

Nagerous, can you clarify why you did not vote PMC after mentioning your opinion on him shifted 180º ("U-turn")?

Zimmah, if you had to unvote PMC, who would you vote next? If the answer is anything other than Freezie, please explain why.

Kratos, how do you feel about Clever and Jonty's votes on PMC?

Yoshi, massprod please? Thanks in advance! ;)


not sure, probably VS because, even though he always acts scummy, he's pretty silent this time.

I'm only silent because I have nothing to say, really. It's all been junk and BS so far. I may say something soon, though.

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in all those 30 pages even with lots of junk, there must have been something that struck you as odd
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Replace Please?

Postby pmchugh on Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:19 pm

unvote vote sully

I don't think there are many better candidates for a day 1 lynch and he has been playing at an extra high rate of scummy this game even by his own standards. Until you post something of use my vote stays.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Replace Please?

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:56 pm

pmchugh wrote:unvote vote sully

I don't think there are many better candidates for a day 1 lynch and he has been playing at an extra high rate of scummy this game even by his own standards. Until you post something of use my vote stays.

That seems rather hypocritical, given that I don't think anyone can rightfully say they've posted anything of use. My comment from previously still stands, as we have gotten exactly nowhere today:
Victor Sullivan wrote:Excuse my impatience, but I'm not so sure talking about it more will get us much of anywhere unless someone claims. If we lynch anyone Day 1, it's essentially for the sake of lynching anyway, as Day 1 cases are always weak - zimmah's tactics could be scummy, they could be a mistake or the result of a hard-headed townie or something - no one really knows. I think everyone's been arguing just for the sake of arguing.

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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Replace Please?

Postby pmchugh on Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:54 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:
pmchugh wrote:unvote vote sully

I don't think there are many better candidates for a day 1 lynch and he has been playing at an extra high rate of scummy this game even by his own standards. Until you post something of use my vote stays.

That seems rather hypocritical, given that I don't think anyone can rightfully say they've posted anything of use. My comment from previously still stands, as we have gotten exactly nowhere today:
Victor Sullivan wrote:Excuse my impatience, but I'm not so sure talking about it more will get us much of anywhere unless someone claims. If we lynch anyone Day 1, it's essentially for the sake of lynching anyway, as Day 1 cases are always weak - zimmah's tactics could be scummy, they could be a mistake or the result of a hard-headed townie or something - no one really knows. I think everyone's been arguing just for the sake of arguing.

-Sully


Hypocritical? Mate did you see my big ass fucking post that took like an hour to write?
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Replace Please?

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:13 pm

I saw it. I wasn't all that jazzed. It's not much use now, though it may be later. We have no information to go off of, thus this whole debate is rather meaningless until we do, no?

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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Replace Please?

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:35 pm

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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Replace Please?

Postby LootenPlunder on Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:38 pm

Yo. The name is Captain Planet. Well, LootenPlunder I guess because CP was already taken. If I don't respond to a question pointed at me it's probably because I am not used to this moniker.

I'm fairly experienced in mafia, I run an IRC channel dedicated to mafia and a forum. I've played a ton of games and just looking to add some more games to my playtime.

Alright So I'll just be you know reading up on all these pages of activity. Can somebody highlight anything of importance? Just in case I miss something on my readthrough.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Replace Please?

Postby zimmah on Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:33 pm

pmchugh wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:
pmchugh wrote:unvote vote sully

I don't think there are many better candidates for a day 1 lynch and he has been playing at an extra high rate of scummy this game even by his own standards. Until you post something of use my vote stays.

That seems rather hypocritical, given that I don't think anyone can rightfully say they've posted anything of use. My comment from previously still stands, as we have gotten exactly nowhere today:
Victor Sullivan wrote:Excuse my impatience, but I'm not so sure talking about it more will get us much of anywhere unless someone claims. If we lynch anyone Day 1, it's essentially for the sake of lynching anyway, as Day 1 cases are always weak - zimmah's tactics could be scummy, they could be a mistake or the result of a hard-headed townie or something - no one really knows. I think everyone's been arguing just for the sake of arguing.

-Sully


Hypocritical? Mate did you see my big ass fucking post that took like an hour to write?


not saying your post isn't great, not saying it is either. fact is though, if you didn't write that or something simmular, it would have been night 1 by now with one less player, you. so it doesn't really make you any more town (or not much at least), it just gives us some information we may review in the future. sorry if that sounded harsh. i do like the fact that you took your time to make a solid post though in all this chaos.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Replace Please?

Postby zimmah on Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:35 pm

LootenPlunder wrote:Yo. The name is Captain Planet. Well, LootenPlunder I guess because CP was already taken. If I don't respond to a question pointed at me it's probably because I am not used to this moniker.

I'm fairly experienced in mafia, I run an IRC channel dedicated to mafia and a forum. I've played a ton of games and just looking to add some more games to my playtime.

Alright So I'll just be you know reading up on all these pages of activity. Can somebody highlight anything of importance? Just in case I miss something on my readthrough.


about 80% or more is a catfight between me and freezie and everyone getting involved in it and the last 5 pages or so are getting a bit more serious.

that's like a very very brief summary.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Deadline April 20th

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:36 pm

zimmah wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:
pmchugh wrote:unvote vote sully

I don't think there are many better candidates for a day 1 lynch and he has been playing at an extra high rate of scummy this game even by his own standards. Until you post something of use my vote stays.

That seems rather hypocritical, given that I don't think anyone can rightfully say they've posted anything of use. My comment from previously still stands, as we have gotten exactly nowhere today:
Victor Sullivan wrote:Excuse my impatience, but I'm not so sure talking about it more will get us much of anywhere unless someone claims. If we lynch anyone Day 1, it's essentially for the sake of lynching anyway, as Day 1 cases are always weak - zimmah's tactics could be scummy, they could be a mistake or the result of a hard-headed townie or something - no one really knows. I think everyone's been arguing just for the sake of arguing.

-Sully


Hypocritical? Mate did you see my big ass fucking post that took like an hour to write?


not saying your post isn't great, not saying it is either. fact is though, if you didn't write that or something simmular, it would have been night 1 by now with one less player, you. so it doesn't really make you any more town (or not much at least), it just gives us some information we may review in the future. sorry if that sounded harsh. i do like the fact that you took your time to make a solid post though in all this chaos.

Zimmah's on the money.

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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Deadline April 20th

Postby strike wolf on Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:43 pm

Doesn't look like anyone's really buying into the Jonty case and I lack the conviction on the case to press for it continually. Honestly there's about 12 people in this game I'd like to accuse for one thing or another. I think the next inactive who says they haven't been posting cause they are tired by how this day is going. I'll probably stab in the arm and then say how I agree with them on how the day is going.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Replace Please?

Postby pancakemix on Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:56 pm

zimmah wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:
pmchugh wrote:unvote vote sully

I don't think there are many better candidates for a day 1 lynch and he has been playing at an extra high rate of scummy this game even by his own standards. Until you post something of use my vote stays.

That seems rather hypocritical, given that I don't think anyone can rightfully say they've posted anything of use. My comment from previously still stands, as we have gotten exactly nowhere today:
Victor Sullivan wrote:Excuse my impatience, but I'm not so sure talking about it more will get us much of anywhere unless someone claims. If we lynch anyone Day 1, it's essentially for the sake of lynching anyway, as Day 1 cases are always weak - zimmah's tactics could be scummy, they could be a mistake or the result of a hard-headed townie or something - no one really knows. I think everyone's been arguing just for the sake of arguing.

-Sully


Hypocritical? Mate did you see my big ass fucking post that took like an hour to write?


not saying your post isn't great, not saying it is either. fact is though, if you didn't write that or something simmular, it would have been night 1 by now with one less player, you. so it doesn't really make you any more town (or not much at least), it just gives us some information we may review in the future. sorry if that sounded harsh. i do like the fact that you took your time to make a solid post though in all this chaos.


This, basically. You were at "claim or die" time and instead you decided to give your opinion of everyone and start a case on me, which only served to cause more distraction.

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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Replace Please?

Postby pmchugh on Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:26 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:I saw it. I wasn't all that jazzed. It's not much use now, though it may be later. We have no information to go off of, thus this whole debate is rather meaningless until we do, no?

-Sully


Mate, you really don't get mafia do you? The whole point of mafia is to make shit up off the top of your head, pass it off as stone cold fact and then lynch people accordingly. Night actions are for pussies, real men and real women lynch with their balls not with petty "facts". If you don't get that, you shouldn't be playing.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Deadline April 20th

Postby strike wolf on Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:27 pm

I'd prefer to think that a good case doesn't have to conjure things out of thin air.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Deadline April 20th

Postby pmchugh on Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:35 pm

strike wolf wrote:I'd prefer to think that a good case doesn't have to conjure things out of thin air.


I was taking the piss mostly :mrgreen: More seriously, on day 1 you have to try and come up with ideas and cases and voice suspicions, to cast off all day 1 chat to "meaningless debate" doesn't help at all. You have to try and contribute or else you will never find scum. Day 1 in Power Role Draft we caught scum and I have seen godfathers lynched day 1. So I suggest everyone stops this "giving up" attitude and responds to what we have in this thread because there is plenty of it there to go off of.

As for the jonty case it sounds not bad, but my instinct was town. How would you feel about a VS lunch?
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Deadline April 20th

Postby strike wolf on Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:42 pm

pmchugh wrote:
strike wolf wrote:I'd prefer to think that a good case doesn't have to conjure things out of thin air.


I was taking the piss mostly :mrgreen: More seriously, on day 1 you have to try and come up with ideas and cases and voice suspicions, to cast off all day 1 chat to "meaningless debate" doesn't help at all. You have to try and contribute or else you will never find scum. Day 1 in Power Role Draft we caught scum and I have seen godfathers lynched day 1. So I suggest everyone stops this "giving up" attitude and responds to what we have in this thread because there is plenty of it there to go off of.

As for the jonty case it sounds not bad, but my instinct was town. How would you feel about a VS lunch?


Well out of the cases presented so far...

1. Jonty-I'm still getting a scum read on him. I just don't have anything new to add or the willingness to repeat the entire case.
2. Some7hingclever-Bandwagoning bandwagoning bandwagoning. Easy comment easy comment easy comment. Light defense. If he wasn't relatively new he'd be ahead of Jonty.
3. Victor-It's usual behavior from him more or less but it's far from helpful.
4. PMC-Scum read early more of a town read before more recently.
5. Zimmah-not getting back into that one.
6. PCM-A few of your points made sense but I think he more than adequately addressed them.
7. Freezie-There was no case.

And I'm sure I've forgotten at least one in there. For the record the first three I'd be willing to lynch. I could be convinced to vote you if we were running out of time and you were the only possible lynch. Beyond that I would not lynch the rest.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Deadline April 20th

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sun Apr 15, 2012 5:57 pm

I just caught up like 20+ pages in HP mafia, don't have the energy to catch up here. Later tonight.

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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Deadline April 20th

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:44 pm

strike wolf wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
strike wolf wrote:I'd prefer to think that a good case doesn't have to conjure things out of thin air.


I was taking the piss mostly :mrgreen: More seriously, on day 1 you have to try and come up with ideas and cases and voice suspicions, to cast off all day 1 chat to "meaningless debate" doesn't help at all. You have to try and contribute or else you will never find scum. Day 1 in Power Role Draft we caught scum and I have seen godfathers lynched day 1. So I suggest everyone stops this "giving up" attitude and responds to what we have in this thread because there is plenty of it there to go off of.

As for the jonty case it sounds not bad, but my instinct was town. How would you feel about a VS lunch?


Well out of the cases presented so far...

1. Jonty-I'm still getting a scum read on him. I just don't have anything new to add or the willingness to repeat the entire case.
2. Some7hingclever-Bandwagoning bandwagoning bandwagoning. Easy comment easy comment easy comment. Light defense. If he wasn't relatively new he'd be ahead of Jonty.
3. Victor-It's usual behavior from him more or less but it's far from helpful.
4. PMC-Scum read early more of a town read before more recently.
5. Zimmah-not getting back into that one.
6. PCM-A few of your points made sense but I think he more than adequately addressed them.
7. Freezie-There was no case.

And I'm sure I've forgotten at least one in there. For the record the first three I'd be willing to lynch. I could be convinced to vote you if we were running out of time and you were the only possible lynch. Beyond that I would not lynch the rest.


ok look. i dont like cases not being put on me cause im new. i have been here for three or four months so i think i know what im doing to some degree.. maybe not as much as others. so please dont use that as a reason not to make a case on me. ...as i have said before yo ucan make a case and i will defend to the best of my abilities.

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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18)

Postby ghostly447 on Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:09 am

Im truly surprised others didnt pick up on some of this guys. PMC defending himself has brought about ALOT of suspicions for me.

Guys, Kranos is pushing this case hard. Such like a few pushed against Zimmah, and in the end, PMC was stuck as the next case just because he was finishing the case EVERYONE ELSE started.

Going through, Kranos mentioned somewhere (P.23 somewhere) saying "going against the grain was not good". Well, I feel that this is quite scummy personally. Because last I checked, Zimmah went against the grain. And he was released after getting a few votes on him, with no claim, and really no results.

strike wolf wrote:This thread i frustrating. Read back through. If anything the Jonty case is probably the best case that's been previously presented don't feel like restating anything that's been said but will have something to add at the end of the post. Couple of new players acting a bit suspicious but well within range of newbie behavior. blah blah blah. blah blah blah. The Zimmah thing's been milked so much that the cow's producing sand. Not sure I really buy PMC's going against the grain argument as his posts seemed to shift from defending Zimmah and going against Freezie to questioning Zimmah before attention was shifted elsewhere. Fircoal hasn't posted since towards the start of the Zimmah case (though to be fair it looks like he was gone for most of the last week). A few people who seem to be trying to blend in with the crowd (shield and some7hingclever included).

On top of Jonty's previous cases this post just looks like easy bandwagon hopping:

jonty125 wrote:
jonty125 wrote:PMC case is much better than the zimmah case unvote vote pmc


EBWOP


I'll go ahead and vote jonty


I feel like people who attempt to cast as much suspicion as possible among tons of people such as stike wolf has done here doesnt do anything for town. Cases are built on more than this, even though its day 1. After all that has been posted, I know there are better cases to be made than this one.

And speaking of blending in, guess who I had forgotten was in the game up till this point! Popping in to point the suspicion a different direction!

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nagerous wrote:Pmchugh can you not concede that the majority of the town had been bored of this discussion and yet you continued to push zimmah and continue on an un-necessary debate thus creating stagnation in the game and frustrating the other members? I think the frustration you caused is indicative in the current vote count.

Since you currently are the bandwagon du jour, please give me 3 short concise reasons why I shouldn't vote you.


I am curious how 3 short concise reasons will make you think otherwise. What three things can he say that would make you remove suspicion? He cant come out and say "Im really Town so if you hang me it will be a mistake."

Sorry for not posting. I wont make excuses..ok I will... I just feel folks have been chasing shadows. I have found it hard getting involved in the Zimma/Freezie circle of life. Though It looks to be dieing down it has been a bit tedious.


Iron Butterfly, I crown you as one of the most logical people I have read into at this point in time! If it doesnt say for itself, I am half way done with P25, and my list of scummy people at this point in time include: Zimmah, Strike Wolf, and Nag

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shieldgenerator7 wrote:I know what you mean PMC. I get highly suspicious of nag and edoc when all they do is post one-liners. It seems to me that they do that as a subconscious habit or clever tactic when they're scum. But that's meta-gaming for you.

I want to hear three reasons why nag suspects you, and have reasons of my own, but I've already posted them/will not repost them until nag answers.

BTW PMC you're still on my scum list.

-SG7 ( :) )


Where did I say I suspected pmc?


Well nag, I dont know about you, but I normally like to vote for people when I have 3+ reasons as to why they are scummy. By asking for PMC to give you 3 concise reasons for you not to vote him, I sure hope you had your suspicions, and werent just fishing for reasons to jump on the bandwagon.

kratos644 wrote:What is really tricky is how Some7hingCLEVER continues to post a bunch of fluff to appear active but has no real substance to add anywhere...


True..But you know what is also really tricky? The fact that you were heading the case just 2 pages ago and now others are taking control and you are no longer really pushing on PMC. Funny how things like that work. You know, switching pressure everywhere by taking majority thought (everyone hates the pressure on Zimmah) and applying it to the person continuing to pressure.

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nagerous wrote:I am not being tricky, I just don't like being misquoted..


ok, understandable


Uhh, you know, people have said your scummy for trying to blend in. I am wondering why that is understandable and immediately UN-applied pressure. Are you crazy, or are you his scum buddy, because I encourage everyone to go back and read the top of page 26. This did not excuse Nag for attempting to find a reason to jump on the PMC BW. If anything, it should have switched it to Nag (the pressure that is) for his Bull crap (no offense, but 3 reasons NOT TO VOTE PMC?). How does no one catch this guys? Are you truly that caught up in the case against PMC to realize that Nag has basically told PMC that he needs to come up with 3 reasons why Nag shouldnt vote him? We build cases here. We dont expect players to magically come up with 3 reasons why no one should vote them. You CANT.

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TA1LGUNN3R wrote::| Why are we still discussing the zimmah thing?

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We aren't? :-s

nagerous wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
nagerous wrote:
pmchugh wrote:So what IS your opinion nag?


Maybe you want to do me the honour of answering my questions before I bother to answer yours..


I believe I have answered everything you have thrown at me. Or correctly refused to answer your questions, as in the "give me 3 reasons not to". Since you are so desperate:

1. I am town.
2. I am town.
3. I am useful town.

:roll:

How about you give me something to answer?


Yeah, that you are an absolute twat.


Hmm, this one is too well thought out. I could think for a million years and I still wouldn't come up with a worthy reply to your well reasoned arguments.


Who was saying the players were just trying to fit in? Because whoever it is, I want to officially introduce you to TailGunner. Oh, thats right. Please feel free to scroll up to the top where strikewolf accused CLEVER and SG7 of exactly that. Connected in my mind.


Nearly done with Page 28, just a couple more posts. 1 thing I must say is that PCM from my experience is rather inactive. Nothing that I can truly pin him for, but in my opinion, PMC v PCM seems to be a town v town case.

Clever jumps all over the board with activity. Some games, he is inactive. Others, he is half active, half inactive. Most, he attempts to make the cases and figure out everything as he goes, and does relatively okay. In this case, I think he is trying to give little imput. Maybe either because he doesnt think the cases given are good ones, maybe because he is scum. He is not on the top of my list of potential scum.

Well, for now I think its time for me to go. 1 am, I have to wake up in 6 1/2 hours. I will finish reading up tomorrow or the day after, but for now I end at the end of page 28.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Deadline April 20th

Postby LootenPlunder on Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:21 am

whoooweeee that is a whole lot of reading.

Out of curiosity how much time is left in thi- oh I see the deadline right above my head how silly of me.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18)

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:56 am

pmchugh wrote:
nagerous wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
nagerous wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:I am curious how 3 short concise reasons will make you think otherwise. What three things can he say that would make you remove suspicion? He cant come out and say "Im really Town so if you hang me it will be a mistake."

Sorry for not posting. I wont make excuses..ok I will... I just feel folks have been chasing shadows. I have found it hard getting involved in the Zimma/Freezie circle of life. Though It looks to be dieing down it has been a bit tedious.


I just want to cut out all the bullshit large quote pyramids and give pmchugh the opportunity to post a streamlined defence. I don't necessarily think it will alter my opinion in any way, but I am just trying to increase my involvement ultimately at this stage and by proposing this to pmchugh seems the best way right now.


So let me see if I understand this.

You already have an opinion.

You don't believe a streamlined defense will change this opinion.

You are proposing this to him to increase your involvement in the game.

So you are giving him busy work to make it seem like you are more involved in the game? We have had enough useless chat why would you want to create more to make yourself look better?

This is the second time I have posted this. I find it annoying that people find it more important to bring the Zimmah crap up then actually read posts. I would like Nag to adress my question.



Do you want to know my opinion on pmchugh. My opinion is like zimmah he does not help himself ONE BIT. That is why he has 7 votes on him, he is being ridiculously pig-headed. I wanted to give him the OPPORTUNITY to actually post why he shouldn't be lynched as it seemed to be heading that way and I personally was not convinced by this, this is why I was fuming that people were interpreting my posts incorrectly.. however, in response he chose to act like a jackass and with his henchman here trying to switch the target onto me. This recent pile of bullcrap posts has had actually made me do a u-turn on my views on pmchugh and I definitely have my eye on you too.

He is the one that is -3, he is clearly under pressure


Also this is just OMGUS and rage. You are barely under any pressure, I am the one that is.. so why are you the one getting mad?


I'm not quite clear how that's omgus. Nag was adding to the discussion, and I thought you were less than forthcoming to his request. I, for one, find your crusade suspicious as well, as well as your self-aggrandizing attitude with respect to your actions.

The fluff case on Clever is all well and good I suppose. I hope everybody can understand why I won't support it just yet with my less than stellar activity.

vote pmchugh

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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18)

Postby pmchugh on Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:01 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Also this is just OMGUS and rage. You are barely under any pressure, I am the one that is.. so why are you the one getting mad?


I'm not quite clear how that's omgus. Nag was adding to the discussion, and I thought you were less than forthcoming to his request. I, for one, find your crusade suspicious as well, as well as your self-aggrandizing attitude with respect to your actions.

The fluff case on Clever is all well and good I suppose. I hope everybody can understand why I won't support it just yet with my less than stellar activity.

vote pmchugh

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Its OMGUS because he said he didn't suspect me but now that I am accusing him he suddenly does.

Nag added nothing, literally nothing. His request was BS as pointed out by ghostly and IB, you can't provide reasons that you are town without claiming. You find my "crusade" suspicious.. where is my crusade? And how am I self-aggrandizing?

Your post is completely illogical and to me it seems like you are attempting to swing the BW back to someone who has already been pressured to the fullest for no good reason.. If you vote for me now it is akin to asking for a claim, for I can't say any more that hasn't already been said in my defence.

I am pretty tempted to vote for you, you have literally only posted about 4 times and none of it has been of use other than to defend yourself. I would like to hear from nag's replacement though on his opinion of today, you two are defo my biggest suspects atm.

Also shield has went uncharacteristically quiet ever since I put him in slight town tell.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18) Deadline April 20th

Postby ghostly447 on Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:46 am

Well, after reading about 25 pages of bull shit, 5 pages of what seems to be town on town, and 2 pages of "DONT GIVE UP", I have come to the conclusion that:

Zimmah is a potential scum. I do not like how he handled the day 1 random pressure, and think his case could have waited for a little more evidence.

Strike Wolf is a top scum contender. Every time there is a strange post such as Nags "give me 3 reasons not to vote you", Strike wolf brings up jonty again, which by the way I do not feel is scum because I can understand people being quiet, especially if it is continued. I may persue jonty, but at this point it is neither worth time, or a strong case. FOS Strike Wolf

Nagerous (replaced by lootenplunder) is scum. Who the hell can ask for someone to magically conjure 3 reasons NOT TO VOTE THEM. That would be no one, thank you. And on top of this, No one pressured further when quite frankly, you could have built a better case on him than on PMC, the leading case at the time. Vote Nag

Speaking of SW continually posting against S7C and SG7, what about VS that up until a few pages ago, SW ignored. I do not like have VS seemed to be left NOT called out for a while by Strike Wolf who seemed to be calling on all the other inactives. FOS VS

Kratos is SCUMMY, but not quite worth a full blown case yet (though it is day 1 and I could probably make a case against him, Nag (replaced by lootenplunder) seems to be the better case). FOS Kratos

SG7 is relatively quiet, but still not worth a full blown case. small FOS on SG7

S7C is not scummy. Though he adds fluff, he was at least semi active in the zimmah case. I do not feel the case against him is strong enough.

So, I will start this against Lootenplunder in the next post (though I hate to since he took over a corrupted position that Nag left him in my opinion).
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 1 (18/18)

Postby ghostly447 on Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:08 am

Before I forget, Vote lootenplunder (had to correct myself from voting Nag since Loot took over)


nagerous wrote:
zimmah wrote:
freezie wrote:
zimmah wrote:note how i said that knew it was SUPPOSED TO BE (=LOOK LIKE) A joke, but I DO NOT BELIEVE it was ACTUALLY a joke. i never said that i didn't read it well enough and i never appaired to skim. if you truly believe i skimmed, you're the one skimming, as if you'd take the time to actually read what i said, it'd be obvious that i did my research. just because we don't agree doesn't mean i didn't read everything.



So, you know it's supposed to be a joke ( the miller claim ) but you don't beleive I was really joking about my claim. So, you beleive I am really a miller. So you're voting me for beleive my town role?

I know, that's twisting your words, as you wouldn't beleive a miller claim. Nor would I. But really, I know better than to claim miller as mafia, especially on day 1. As everyone pointed out, spearow--town miller, was my role in the first pokemon game, and the very first post I did was to burst down the joke phase by claiming it ( rightfully )

No, I did not really claim here. But the way you're going at me...I don't think you're scum¸. That'd be such a hugely risky and stupid move. Maybe lyncher? That'd make more sense.

However beleive I actually claimed miller as scum to hide it on day 1 with a small jokewagon on me is..Illogical at best.


yes but you may just do all of this to create a clever cover for later in the game and hide behind it. and i'm not going to allow that to happen that easily.


You are over-reacting ridiculously. I don't necessarily think your behaviour is scummy but it is certainly one-track minded and is not going to help us catch scum at this moment in time.


Regarding the zimmah case, it seems he was just trying to go with the flow. Here is strike one for me with Strike Wolf. Because even though this was the first post nag made in 3-5 days, strike still called out SG7 and S7C. Nagerous, since this is his quote, also seemed to restate the one track minded part. Bunch of fluff that people had already posted.

nagerous wrote:The zimmah freezie thing is one of the most boring things I have ever seen in a mafia game... I am starting to think they might even be quarrelling scum buddies trying to create some form of diversion for later in the game.


Little more fluff. Strike 2 for strike wolf. How didnt SW catch onto this when clearly, this was another 3 day post just adding a little more fluff? Explanation in the last quote.

nagerous wrote:No need to apologise something for expressing your views.

To be honest for the same reasons as pancake I have been quite quiet as this argument has been dull as dishwater.

I do think PMC ought to stop beating a dead horse as it is very tedious.


Strike 3. I may as well vote strike if it werent for the overwhelming evidence against Nag. 3 more days pass, and more fluff. and nothign from SW saying he is acting scummy.

nagerous wrote:Pmchugh can you not concede that the majority of the town had been bored of this discussion and yet you continued to push zimmah and continue on an un-necessary debate thus creating stagnation in the game and frustrating the other members? I think the frustration you caused is indicative in the current vote count.

Since you currently are the bandwagon du jour, please give me 3 short concise reasons why I shouldn't vote you.



nagerous wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
nagerous wrote:Pmchugh can you not concede that the majority of the town had been bored of this discussion and yet you continued to push zimmah and continue on an un-necessary debate thus creating stagnation in the game and frustrating the other members? I think the frustration you caused is indicative in the current vote count.

Since you currently are the bandwagon du jour, please give me 3 short concise reasons why I shouldn't vote you.


I am curious how 3 short concise reasons will make you think otherwise. What three things can he say that would make you remove suspicion? He cant come out and say "Im really Town so if you hang me it will be a mistake."

Sorry for not posting. I wont make excuses..ok I will... I just feel folks have been chasing shadows. I have found it hard getting involved in the Zimma/Freezie circle of life. Though It looks to be dieing down it has been a bit tedious.


I just want to cut out all the bullshit large quote pyramids and give pmchugh the opportunity to post a streamlined defence. I don't necessarily think it will alter my opinion in any way, but I am just trying to increase my involvement ultimately at this stage and by proposing this to pmchugh seems the best way right now.


nagerous wrote:
shieldgenerator7 wrote:I know what you mean PMC. I get highly suspicious of nag and edoc when all they do is post one-liners. It seems to me that they do that as a subconscious habit or clever tactic when they're scum. But that's meta-gaming for you.

I want to hear three reasons why nag suspects you, and have reasons of my own, but I've already posted them/will not repost them until nag answers.

BTW PMC you're still on my scum list.

-SG7 ( :) )


Where did I say I suspected pmc?


nagerous wrote:and yes I realise that it is a one-line response, it is intentional irony..


nagerous wrote:
shieldgenerator7 wrote:@nag, I guess you never came out and said "I suspect PMC" but you said you'd vote him so that tells me that you suspect him.


I never said I'd vote him, I asked for reasons why I shouldn't vote him simply as he was the 'bandwagon du jour.' Purely by example I could ask you the same question if I so wished, but it doesn't mean that I am going to or in fact will ever vote you.


nagerous wrote:I am not being tricky, I just don't like being misquoted..


nagerous wrote:
pmchugh wrote:So what IS your opinion nag?


Maybe you want to do me the honour of answering my questions before I bother to answer yours..


Too...Much...Fluff..Must...Know..why the hell he wasnt called out. Asking for 3 reasons out of thin air, who the hell can come up with that? NO ONE. and yet, he was releaved of pressure just because he said "The pressure is on PMC". The players in this game let stuff go way too easily. And PMC over reacted on the zimmah case? HARDLY after the following quotes.

nagerous wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
nagerous wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
nagerous wrote:Pmchugh can you not concede that the majority of the town had been bored of this discussion and yet you continued to push zimmah and continue on an un-necessary debate thus creating stagnation in the game and frustrating the other members? I think the frustration you caused is indicative in the current vote count.

Since you currently are the bandwagon du jour, please give me 3 short concise reasons why I shouldn't vote you.


I am curious how 3 short concise reasons will make you think otherwise. What three things can he say that would make you remove suspicion? He cant come out and say "Im really Town so if you hang me it will be a mistake."

Sorry for not posting. I wont make excuses..ok I will... I just feel folks have been chasing shadows. I have found it hard getting involved in the Zimma/Freezie circle of life. Though It looks to be dieing down it has been a bit tedious.


I just want to cut out all the bullshit large quote pyramids and give pmchugh the opportunity to post a streamlined defence. I don't necessarily think it will alter my opinion in any way, but I am just trying to increase my involvement ultimately at this stage and by proposing this to pmchugh seems the best way right now.


Thaaaat isss RIDICULOUS. Cuts out the quote pyramids, 3 concise points, a streamlined defense as to why he SHOULDNT VOTE PMC? This just keeps getting better and better:
This game is built on quote pyramids to accuse and defend. If you dont like it, dont make cases. But be prepared to get called out for it if you do.
3 concise points out of thin air? You cannot answer that without things to defend yourself against. Do not pretend you can.

I think this is case closed. Sorry to lootenplunder, I know its tough to defend what he was thinking, but in my opinion, it is more than clear that he is mafia, third party, or ridicuously scummy anyways. So for that, my vote remains, and tomorrow I plan to pressure SW if Loot does flip mafia.

Hope this helps point us in the right direction guys. To clarify my list of scummy/scummiest:

Nag (loot) - posted above.
SW - semi posted above.
Kratos - Seems to direct the flow but never finish out his cases.
Zimmah - obvious enough reasons I suppose. not going to head another case.
Tailgunner - Inactive and yet SW doesnt call him out on it.
Vs - Read Tailgunner.
SG7??? - Pretty inactive and giving lots of fluff still.
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