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Postby zimmah on Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:44 pm

quotes by leading evolutionary scientists, and even Darwin himself. By their own words they admit this very important piece of the evolutionary puzzle does not fit, and never will. Enjoy.

Darwin wrote:ā€œThere is another and allied difficulty, which is much more serious. I allude to the manner in which species belonging to several of the main divisions of the animal kingdom suddenly appear in the lowest known fossiliferous rocks.ā€ (Darwin, The Origin of Species, p. 348),


ā€œThe abrupt manner in which whole groups of species suddenly appear in certain formations, has been urged by several palaeontologists—for instance, by Agassiz, Pictet, and Sedgwick—as a fatal objection to the belief in the transmutation of species. If numerous species, belonging to the same genera or families, have really started into life at once, the fact would be fatal to the theory of evolution through natural selection.ā€ (Ibid., p. 344),

ā€œTo the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system, I can give no satisfactory answer.ā€ (Ibid., p. 350),


ā€œThe case at present must remain inexplicable, and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained.ā€ (Ibid., p. 351),


Stephen Jay Gould wrote:ā€œThe most famous such burst, the Cambrian explosion, marks the inception of modern multicellular life. Within just a few million years, nearly every major kind of animal anatomy appears in the fossil record for the first time ... The Precambrian record is now sufficiently good that the old rationale about undiscovered sequences of smoothly transitional forms will no longer wash.ā€ (Stephen Jay Gould, ā€œAn Asteroid to Die For,ā€ Discover, October 1989, p. 65),


Richard Dawkins wrote:ā€œAnd we find many of them [Cambrian fossils] already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history. Needless to say, this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists.ā€ (Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker London: W.W. Norton & Company, 1987, p. 229),


I. Axelrod wrote:ā€œOne of the major unsolved problems of geology and evolution is the occurrence of diversified, multicellular marine invertebrates in Lower Cambrian rocks on all the continents and their absence in rocks of greater age.ā€ (I. Axelrod, ā€œEarly Cambrian Marine Fauna,ā€ Science, Vol. 128, 4 July 1958, p. 7),


Jeffrey S. Levinton wrote:ā€œEvolutionary biology’s deepest paradox concerns this strange discontinuity. Why haven’t new animal body plans continued to crawl out of the evolutionary cauldron during the past hundreds of millions of years? Why are the ancient body plans so stable?ā€ (Jeffrey S. Levinton, ā€œThe Big Bang of Animal Evolution,ā€ Scientific American, Vol. 267, November 1992, p. 84),


T. Neville George Professor of Geology at the University of Glasgow wrote:ā€œGranted an evolutionary origin of the main groups of animals, and not an act of special creation, the absence of any record whatsoever of a single member of any of the phyla in the Pre-Cambrian rocks remains as inexplicable on orthodox grounds as it was to Darwin.ā€ (T. Neville George Professor of Geology at the University of Glasgow, ā€œFossils in Evolutionary Perspective,ā€ Science Progress, Vol. 48, No. 189, January 1960, p. 5).


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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby Army of GOD on Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:21 pm



NDT is awesome. Also, I love the phrase "god of the gaps"
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:39 pm

Agreed, AoG. I never heard of this guy, so thanks for dropping it.

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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby Army of GOD on Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:49 pm

You've never heard of NDT? He's one of the biggest reasons I originally wanted to go into astrophysics.

Watch the episode Beyond the Big Bang from the Universe series. He has a lot of compelling quotes in it.
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:45 am

Yeah, NDT is a fucking rockstar in the physics field.

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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby nietzsche on Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:04 am

Lack of imagination has always been a problem with those who do not want evolution to be real, or simply just can't understand evolution.

Which is funny because they surely love to have imaginary friends.
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby nietzsche on Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:07 am

Double post;

It's very easy too go to google and look for "weak link evolution" or "proof evolution is wrong" or something in those lines and come here and provoke people, but I wonder how many of those have actually picked up a good book on evolution, maybe a couple, and read it and with calm pondered what it says there.
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby nietzsche on Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:08 am

Triple post:

I had stopped coming to these threads on god and evolution and all that but there was nothing more tonight! Where is saxi????


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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby chang50 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:00 am

[quote="nietzsche"]Lack of imagination has always been a problem with those who do not want evolution to be real, or simply just can't understand evolution.

Which is funny because they surely love to have imaginary friends.[/quote

I always think of evolution deniers as walking testaments to their ideas,because they appear to be poorly evolved creatures.
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby Maugena on Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:30 am

Army of GOD wrote:

NDT is awesome. Also, I love the phrase "god of the gaps"

I've never seen this before, but it is essentially what I had said in the "Christians Renew Their War Against Literacy and Democracy" thread.
Not saying that I said it first, because I didn't, but yeah.
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby Baron Von PWN on Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:31 am

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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby pmchugh on Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:54 am

nietzsche wrote:Double post;

It's very easy too go to google and look for "weak link evolution" or "proof evolution is wrong" or something in those lines and come here and provoke people, but I wonder how many of those have actually picked up a good book on evolution, maybe a couple, and read it and with calm pondered what it says there.


Zimmah claimed to be well read on both sides of the divide but I have asked him like 4 times now and he has still failed to name a single book he has read. Now I see when he said he had read what the evolutionists were saying he really meant he had read quotes taken out of context in creationist materials.
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby Neoteny on Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:10 am

Anyone who has not heard of Neil (when I dream, Neil, Carl, Alton, and I are on a first name basis) before this thread has earned one (1) premium quality kick in the junks, 90% power.

Seriously, though, I like how creationists don't even bother with their own arguments anymore. They just violate those of scientists with whatever appendages they use for mangling context, and reality, and slink away with a troll face.
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby zimmah on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:16 am

this treat proofs that even when you show proof to atheists, they still cry.

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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:19 am

zimmah wrote:this treat proofs that even when you show proof to atheists, they still cry.

stick your head in the sand deeper and deeper but you can't bury the truth.


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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby zimmah on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:28 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
zimmah wrote:this treat proofs that even when you show proof to atheists, they still cry.

stick your head in the sand deeper and deeper but you can't bury the truth.


Having fun trolling?


mght as well try to prove the bible in chinese, as logic is a language you don't speak.
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby pmchugh on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:30 am

Zimmah, why did you lie about having read up on evolution?
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby zimmah on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:02 am

pmchugh wrote:Zimmah, why did you lie about having read up on evolution?


well i did but i don't know the names, probably something by dawkins, and i also read up a lot about darwinism itself, either way no matter how you look at it, you're being surrounded by evolutionist propaganda. i'm not sure how it is where you live, but here in holland all the school, even so-called christian school, teach evolution when they teach you history AND when they teach biology.

darwinism just doesn't make sense, what little evidence we have points to things like a Cambrian explosion and whatnot and even scientist that support (or supported) evolution admit that the Cambrian explosion is completely what you would NOT expect when you're looking for evolution. Darwin tought that more searches would eventually result in more reliable data that would prove his theory, but the opposite is true.

Complex life suddenly appeared out of nowhere, and there's still no fossils or any proof at all that even suggest that one specie slowly or suddenly evolved into another.

and besides, when you dig up a fossil you can't even tell for sure if the fossil ever had childs in the first place.

there's just so many wrong with the evolution theory i don't know where to start.

natural selection and variation within species is not proof of evolution, it just proofs that the designer was smart enough to create animals that can adapt to some amount of change. For example bacteria can become immune to some vaccins because most vaccins kill like 99,9% of the bacteria, the other 0,1% can reproduce and a majority of them will be resistant (the rest will instantly die if the vaccin is still around) but this comes at a tradeoff. when the vaccin is removed, the bacteria may be less suited for life then the original bacteria, and eventually the normal bacteria may overwhelm the resistant species again. does this proof natural selection and variation? definitly! does this proof evolution? no! because they have limited amount of variations. they will still remain bacteria, in fact, they still remain a very specific type of bacteria.

the same counts for animals. they can change fur, colors, they can vary in strenght, size and condition, they can have slightly different measures (like some may have slightly larger ears or larger nose, etc.) but there's bounderies. and they can still reproduce. if you put a chinese with a blonde european, they can produce offspring. even though a chinese and a chinese would most likely produce a yellow-ish small human with black hair and small eyes (that's what you expect from two stereotype chinese at least, you don't expect a black person to be born from two chinese) while with two blonde europeans you expect a blonde haired child, probably rather tall, most likely blue or green eyes, maybe hazel, etc. you don't expect a chinese rolling out there. but if you put a chinese and blonde european together you'll get a mixture that looks kinda simular to a chinese but also not quite. and what's even more important, the halfbreeds can give birth as well. and it doesn't technically matter how often you repeat this, because no matter how different humans may appair, we're all human. It's like if you build a huge wall around china so that noone can go in or out, and put all the chinese and everyone with even the slightest amount of chinese-dna there and lock them up there for a billion years or so, and after those billion years, you could in theory still reproduce with those chinese. (well, not you but your offspring would, unless you plan on living 1 billion years). i bet in the course of a billion years they may look a little different, not sure how far you can go with this, but they'll always be humans. they won't suddenly change to birds.
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby Neoteny on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:05 am

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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby Neoteny on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:21 am

zimmah wrote:
pmchugh wrote:Zimmah, why did you lie about having read up on evolution?


well i did but i don't know the names, probably something by dawkins, and i also read up a lot about darwinism itself, either way no matter how you look at it, you're being surrounded by evolutionist propaganda. i'm not sure how it is where you live, but here in holland all the school, even so-called christian school, teach evolution when they teach you history AND when they teach biology.

darwinism just doesn't make sense, what little evidence we have points to things like a Cambrian explosion and whatnot and even scientist that support (or supported) evolution admit that the Cambrian explosion is completely what you would NOT expect when you're looking for evolution. Darwin tought that more searches would eventually result in more reliable data that would prove his theory, but the opposite is true.

Complex life suddenly appeared out of nowhere, and there's still no fossils or any proof at all that even suggest that one specie slowly or suddenly evolved into another.

and besides, when you dig up a fossil you can't even tell for sure if the fossil ever had childs in the first place.

there's just so many wrong with the evolution theory i don't know where to start.

natural selection and variation within species is not proof of evolution, it just proofs that the designer was smart enough to create animals that can adapt to some amount of change. For example bacteria can become immune to some vaccins because most vaccins kill like 99,9% of the bacteria, the other 0,1% can reproduce and a majority of them will be resistant (the rest will instantly die if the vaccin is still around) but this comes at a tradeoff. when the vaccin is removed, the bacteria may be less suited for life then the original bacteria, and eventually the normal bacteria may overwhelm the resistant species again. does this proof natural selection and variation? definitly! does this proof evolution? no! because they have limited amount of variations. they will still remain bacteria, in fact, they still remain a very specific type of bacteria.

the same counts for animals. they can change fur, colors, they can vary in strenght, size and condition, they can have slightly different measures (like some may have slightly larger ears or larger nose, etc.) but there's bounderies. and they can still reproduce. if you put a chinese with a blonde european, they can produce offspring. even though a chinese and a chinese would most likely produce a yellow-ish small human with black hair and small eyes (that's what you expect from two stereotype chinese at least, you don't expect a black person to be born from two chinese) while with two blonde europeans you expect a blonde haired child, probably rather tall, most likely blue or green eyes, maybe hazel, etc. you don't expect a chinese rolling out there. but if you put a chinese and blonde european together you'll get a mixture that looks kinda simular to a chinese but also not quite. and what's even more important, the halfbreeds can give birth as well. and it doesn't technically matter how often you repeat this, because no matter how different humans may appair, we're all human. It's like if you build a huge wall around china so that noone can go in or out, and put all the chinese and everyone with even the slightest amount of chinese-dna there and lock them up there for a billion years or so, and after those billion years, you could in theory still reproduce with those chinese. (well, not you but your offspring would, unless you plan on living 1 billion years). i bet in the course of a billion years they may look a little different, not sure how far you can go with this, but they'll always be humans. they won't suddenly change to birds.


See, now this I like. It's much better than your OP. This seems much more from the heart. More honest. Atrocious. But honest. I can respect that. I have a hunch though that you'll catch four or five posts trying to dissect it though.
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:34 am

zimmah wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
zimmah wrote:this treat proofs that even when you show proof to atheists, they still cry.

stick your head in the sand deeper and deeper but you can't bury the truth.


Having fun trolling?


mght as well try to prove the bible in chinese, as logic is a language you don't speak.


I know some Chinese, so go ahead!

But wait! Is this the part where you're about to change the meaning of "logic" into "faith" and then make a totally different argument?
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby zimmah on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:45 am

Neoteny wrote:"There is no God."
Psalms 14:1

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read the rest the psalm too then

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.


so you're a fool, thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby Neoteny on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:56 am

zimmah wrote:
Neoteny wrote:"There is no God."
Psalms 14:1

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read the rest the psalm too then

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.


so you're a fool, thanks for clearing that up.


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Re: quotes by leading evolutionary scientists

Postby Army of GOD on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:58 am

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