Egyptians Mock Clinton over Lewinsky, Pelt w/ Tomatoes

[saxitoxin]

The most evil woman in the world was publicly taunted over her inability to sexually satisfy a man yesterday as she scurried about, sending the well wishes of Obama to Egypt's brutal US-backed military dictatorship.

Tomatoes and shoes were thrown at US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's motorcade by Egyptian protesters who shouted, "Monica, Monica, Monica" as she left the newly reopened American Consulate in Alexandria.

The protesters threw the tomatoes, shoes and a water bottle as the staff walked to their vans after the ceremony and riot police had to hold back the crowd. A tomato hit an Egyptian official in the face.


http://m.timesofindia.com/world/middle- ... 002349.cms

[BigBallinStalin]

"I want to be clear that the United States is not in the business, in Egypt, of choosing winners and losers, even if we could, which, of course, we cannot," Clinton said at the ceremony to reopen the consulate, which was closed in 1993 because of budget constraints.

What a lying sack of shit. No wonder anti-American sentiments are on the rise.

[patches70]

I think it would have been funny if they had thrown cigars.

They should know that Lewinsky was paid hush hush money. A Wad of Bills was found on her dress.

Hillary should be happy. Her husband has some new income streaming into the household. Bill Clinton has agreed to be the spokesman for Dupont Stain Master Carpets.

Monica Lewinsky is a dummy. When the rest of us want a dick in the White House we just vote.

Bill Clinton's favorite preacher is Oral Roberts.

Hillary has been putting on a bit of weight since becoming Sec of State. 30 pounds by some accounts. In fact, she's gotten so heavy that even Bill is hitting on her.

Hillary wanted to cancel her husband's favorite government program because it brought her too much emotional pain. The program? Head Start.

Did anyone read Bill Clinton's last book? "Chicks I nailed while Hillary was Writing Her Book."


Ahh, good times, good times. It's good to see the world finally giving the US the respect she rightfully deserves.

[Woodruff]

The most evil woman in the world was publicly taunted over her inability to sexually satisfy a man yesterday as she scurried about, sending the well wishes of Obama to Egypt's brutal US-backed military dictatorship.

Tomatoes and shoes were thrown at US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's motorcade by Egyptian protesters who shouted, "Monica, Monica, Monica" as she left the newly reopened American Consulate in Alexandria.

The protesters threw the tomatoes, shoes and a water bottle as the staff walked to their vans after the ceremony and riot police had to hold back the crowd. A tomato hit an Egyptian official in the face.

http://m.timesofindia.com/world/middle- ... 002349.cms

What is with the shoe-throwing? Is this like...the thing to do now?

[GabonX]

The most evil woman in the world was publicly taunted over her inability to sexually satisfy a man yesterday as she scurried about, sending the well wishes of Obama to Egypt's brutal US-backed military dictatorship.

Tomatoes and shoes were thrown at US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's motorcade by Egyptian protesters who shouted, "Monica, Monica, Monica" as she left the newly reopened American Consulate in Alexandria.

The protesters threw the tomatoes, shoes and a water bottle as the staff walked to their vans after the ceremony and riot police had to hold back the crowd. A tomato hit an Egyptian official in the face.


http://m.timesofindia.com/world/middle- ... 002349.cms

lol

What is with the shoe-throwing? Is this like...the thing to do now?

It's a major insult in the Arab world. Kind of like shaking someone's hand with the left (or is it right?) because that's the hand they use to wipe with.

[Symmetry]

Meh, wasn't this simply the American right wing sabotaging American foreign policy again?

As the NYTimes reports, this was linked to a bizarre idea from right wing think tanks in the US that the Obama administration was funding the Muslim Brotherhood.

Behind Jeers for Clinton in Egypt, a Conspiracy Theory With U.S. Roots

The news that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton’s motorcade was pelted with shoes and tomatoes by Egyptian protesters, who also taunted her by chanting “Monica! Monica!” as she left the U.S. consulate in Alexandria on Sunday, delighted conservative bloggers in the United States.

What has attracted less attention, however, is the extent to which the Egyptians who vented their rage during Mrs. Clinton’s visit appear to have been inspired by fears that the Obama administration harbors a secret, pro-Islamist agenda which originated with American conservatives.

As my colleague Kareem Fahim reported on Sunday, some political opponents of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt claim that the United States even plotted to install the Islamist party’s presidential candidate in office. “Although wildly counterintuitive,” my colleagues David Kirkpatrick and Mayy El Sheikh observed on Saturday, “that conspiracy theory has tapped into the deep popular distrust here of the United States.”

The strength of that belief was on full display on Saturday in Cairo, as hundreds rallied outside Mrs. Clinton’s hotel, waving placards that read: “Stop U.S. funding of the Muslim Brotherhood,” “Clinton is the supreme guide of the Muslim Brotherhood” and “To Hillary: Hamas will never rule Egypt,” suggesting an even-wider conspiracy, including the Islamists in neighboring Gaza.

Huh, hope that this adds a little more nuance to the OP (hint- very few people outside of the US are bothered about Monica Lewinsky).

[Phatscotty]

If only Egyptians could "evolve" socially and understand that to get a blow job behind your wife's back actually makes you cool and earns you love and respect in the hearts of millions of Americans. Playing the saxi-phone is just a bonus.

Egypt is just backwards like that.

[saxitoxin]

Meh, wasn't this simply the American right wing sabotaging American foreign policy again?

Yes.

The most rational and probable explanation for a protest in Cairo, Egypt was that there was a far-ranging conspiracy involving Obamacare critics to organize a protest of a routine junket of the Secretary of State to Cairo to create a few hours of minor embarrassment. It's unclear if the protesters were actually 900 Tea Party members from Burley, Idaho who had chartered a fleet of 747s to fly to Cairo and pretend to be Egyptians, but that's - by far - the most logical conclusion.

We know this is true because, typically, citizens of the developing world cheer, cry in happiness, and throw rose petals at American ministers as they speed through foreign capitals in their armored, 30-car motorcades escorted by helicopter gunships.

[BigBallinStalin]

Huh? C'mon, Sym!

The US gives Egypt about $1 billion a year in "foreign aid," which is mostly used by their military. After the revolution in Egypt, the US, who was great friends with Mubarak, wanted to ensure that no religious group would rise to power--especially the Muslim Brotherhood, who have a bone to pick with the US over past greviances (e.g. funding Mubarak and his dictatorship).

Recently, the Egyptian supreme court, composed of pro-Mubarak judges, removed the main candidate of the Muslim Brotherhood from the presidential election and then dissolved parliament for a new round of "free" elections. Many Egyptians are wise to this, and are reasonably annoyed at US interference. This outburst against Mrs. Clinton unsurprisingly follows.

[Phatscotty]

[saxitoxin]

Huh? C'mon, Sym!

The US gives Egypt about $1 billion a year in "foreign aid," which is mostly used by their military. After the revolution in Egypt, the US, who was great friends with Mubarak, wanted to ensure that no religious group would rise to power--especially the Muslim Brotherhood, who have a bone to pick with the US over past greviances (e.g. funding Mubarak and his dictatorship).

Recently, the Egyptian supreme court, composed of pro-Mubarak judges, removed the main candidate of the Muslim Brotherhood from the presidential election and then dissolved parliament for a new round of "free" elections. Many Egyptians are wise to this, and are reasonably annoyed at US interference. This outburst against Mrs. Clinton unsurprisingly follows.

Don't forget the giant shipment of Tear Gas-er, I mean Freedom Gas! - Obama sent to the military junta at the height of the Tahir Square protests.



http://www.voltairenet.org/US-sending-t ... ear-gas-to

[Symmetry]

Meh, wasn't this simply the American right wing sabotaging American foreign policy again?

Yes.

The most rational and probable explanation for Egyptians not cheering, crying in happiness, and throwing rose petals at Clinton - as typically happens when American ministers speed through foreign capitals in their armored, 30-car motorcades escorted by helicopter gunships - was that there was a far-ranging conspiracy involving people opposed to Obamacare and FOX News to organize a protest of a routine junket of the Secretary of State to Cairo to create a few hours of minor embarrassment. It's unclear if the protesters were Tea Party members from Burley, Idaho pretending to be Egyptians, but that's - by far - the most logical conclusion.

One would assume that you're not buying into the them being pissed off about Monica Lewinsky? If you're going for anti-Americanism, I can see that, and would suggest that the widely reported accounts from the American right that the US is funding the Muslim Brotherhood might well be an important factor.

Of course, you could have a look at the article and see that said false reports were a major factor, or you could think that Egyptians are unusually bothered by a former president getting a blow job from an intern.

[BigBallinStalin]

Questions:


Here's two (possible) US foreign policies:

(1) Encourage the ruling military group in Egypt to prevent the Muslim Brotherhood from gaining significant political power in Egypt.
--this method undoubtedly increases anti-American sentiments, but it usually yields more control over Egyptian foreign policy to the US policymakers (but not exactly to the benefit of the US people).

(2) Ignore them, and if Egypt--under the Muslim Brotherhood--commits actions which the US dislikes, then end the subsidies (about $1 billion per year).
--the ending of foreign aid could lead to anti-American sentiments, albeit less than (1), and especially if US intentions were made clear beforehand.


Why does the US continue (1) (i.e. why does the US continue propping up authoritarian governments at its own long-run expense)?

Why doesn't the US engage in (2)?

[Phatscotty]

The most evil woman in the world was publicly taunted over her inability to sexually satisfy a man yesterday as she scurried about, sending the well wishes of Obama to Egypt's brutal US-backed military dictatorship.

Tomatoes and shoes were thrown at US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's motorcade by Egyptian protesters who shouted, "Monica, Monica, Monica" as she left the newly reopened American Consulate in Alexandria.

The protesters threw the tomatoes, shoes and a water bottle as the staff walked to their vans after the ceremony and riot police had to hold back the crowd. A tomato hit an Egyptian official in the face.

http://m.timesofindia.com/world/middle- ... 002349.cms

What is with the shoe-throwing? Is this like...the thing to do now?

throwing a shoe at someone is a severe form of disrespect in the middle east, possibly the worst thing you can throw. For the same reasons you do not show the bottom of your shoes to anyone.

[saxitoxin]

or you could think that Egyptians are unusually bothered by a former president getting a blow job from an intern

If I were to call you an idiot, do you believe that would be (a) an expression of concern by me at the development of your cognitive skill set, or, (b) an ad hominem attempt to marginalize your status?

When Egyptians chant "Monica" do you believe they are (a) expressing concern over a 15 year old minor sex scandal in the United States, or, (b) making an ad hominem attack to marginalize a politician by highlighting her personal flaws? Or is it (c) a far-reaching conspiracy involving the Tea Party, FOX News, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster?

[BigBallinStalin]

Meh, wasn't this simply the American right wing sabotaging American foreign policy again?

Yes.

The most rational and probable explanation for Egyptians not cheering, crying in happiness, and throwing rose petals at Clinton - as typically happens when American ministers speed through foreign capitals in their armored, 30-car motorcades escorted by helicopter gunships - was that there was a far-ranging conspiracy involving people opposed to Obamacare and FOX News to organize a protest of a routine junket of the Secretary of State to Cairo to create a few hours of minor embarrassment. It's unclear if the protesters were Tea Party members from Burley, Idaho pretending to be Egyptians, but that's - by far - the most logical conclusion.

One would assume that you're not buying into the them being pissed off about Monica Lewinsky? If you're going for anti-Americanism, I can see that, and would suggest that the widely reported accounts from the American right that the US is funding the Muslim Brotherhood might well be an important factor.

Of course, you could have a look at the article and see that said false reports were a major factor, or you could think that Egyptians are unusually bothered by a former president getting a blow job from an intern.

They said "Monica!" only to annoy Hilary because they're annoyed that the US is intervening in their joke of a democratic process--which is a joke due to the Egyptian military, which receives advice and tons of money and weapons from the US.

[Symmetry]

Meh, wasn't this simply the American right wing sabotaging American foreign policy again?

Yes.

The most rational and probable explanation for Egyptians not cheering, crying in happiness, and throwing rose petals at Clinton - as typically happens when American ministers speed through foreign capitals in their armored, 30-car motorcades escorted by helicopter gunships - was that there was a far-ranging conspiracy involving people opposed to Obamacare and FOX News to organize a protest of a routine junket of the Secretary of State to Cairo to create a few hours of minor embarrassment. It's unclear if the protesters were Tea Party members from Burley, Idaho pretending to be Egyptians, but that's - by far - the most logical conclusion.

One would assume that you're not buying into the them being pissed off about Monica Lewinsky? If you're going for anti-Americanism, I can see that, and would suggest that the widely reported accounts from the American right that the US is funding the Muslim Brotherhood might well be an important factor.

Of course, you could have a look at the article and see that said false reports were a major factor, or you could think that Egyptians are unusually bothered by a former president getting a blow job from an intern.

They said "Monica!" only to annoy Hilary because they're annoyed that the US is intervening in their joke of a democratic process--which is a joke due to the Egyptian military, which receives advice from the US.

And you're ignoring the Muslim Brotherhood stuff, why? I don't get this argument that it's not relevant, when I've provided a source saying that it was, with evidence.

[saxitoxin]

Meh, wasn't this simply the American right wing sabotaging American foreign policy again?

Yes.

The most rational and probable explanation for Egyptians not cheering, crying in happiness, and throwing rose petals at Clinton - as typically happens when American ministers speed through foreign capitals in their armored, 30-car motorcades escorted by helicopter gunships - was that there was a far-ranging conspiracy involving people opposed to Obamacare and FOX News to organize a protest of a routine junket of the Secretary of State to Cairo to create a few hours of minor embarrassment. It's unclear if the protesters were Tea Party members from Burley, Idaho pretending to be Egyptians, but that's - by far - the most logical conclusion.

One would assume that you're not buying into the them being pissed off about Monica Lewinsky? If you're going for anti-Americanism, I can see that, and would suggest that the widely reported accounts from the American right that the US is funding the Muslim Brotherhood might well be an important factor.

Of course, you could have a look at the article and see that said false reports were a major factor, or you could think that Egyptians are unusually bothered by a former president getting a blow job from an intern.

They said "Monica!" only to annoy Hilary because they're annoyed that the US is intervening in their joke of a democratic process--which is a joke due to the Egyptian military, which receives advice and tons of money and weapons from the US.

Don't be a fucking idiot, BBS.

ALL EGYPTIANS LOVE WITH UNADULTERATED ECSTASY THE SUPREME RULER FIELD MARSHAL TANTAWI!!! They are overjoyed Clinton is supporting the Supreme Ruler Field Marshal Tantawi with guns, bullets, tear gas, money and kind words! Anyone who suggests otherwise is part of a right-wing conspiracy to end Obamacare in the USA. Egyptians are very much opposed to democracy and love the Central Military Junta. That's why they love the junta's American benefactors.

[BigBallinStalin]

Meh, wasn't this simply the American right wing sabotaging American foreign policy again?

Yes.

The most rational and probable explanation for Egyptians not cheering, crying in happiness, and throwing rose petals at Clinton - as typically happens when American ministers speed through foreign capitals in their armored, 30-car motorcades escorted by helicopter gunships - was that there was a far-ranging conspiracy involving people opposed to Obamacare and FOX News to organize a protest of a routine junket of the Secretary of State to Cairo to create a few hours of minor embarrassment. It's unclear if the protesters were Tea Party members from Burley, Idaho pretending to be Egyptians, but that's - by far - the most logical conclusion.

One would assume that you're not buying into the them being pissed off about Monica Lewinsky? If you're going for anti-Americanism, I can see that, and would suggest that the widely reported accounts from the American right that the US is funding the Muslim Brotherhood might well be an important factor.

Of course, you could have a look at the article and see that said false reports were a major factor, or you could think that Egyptians are unusually bothered by a former president getting a blow job from an intern.

They said "Monica!" only to annoy Hilary because they're annoyed that the US is intervening in their joke of a democratic process--which is a joke due to the Egyptian military, which receives advice from the US.

And you're ignoring the Muslim Brotherhood stuff, why? I don't get this argument that it's not relevant, when I've provided a source saying that it was, with evidence.

hm?

Ohh... haha, I didn't know you posted an article... (whoops). It's interesting. Assuming it's true (e.g. no pictures of placards at protest), then this was a great way for the military to exercise more control over Egypt. As with any protest (and there has been many in Egypt), the main political parties have the funding to encourage people to protest--i.e. pay to protest, or offer membership benefits.

I'd love to see Sara Ahmed's financial history. Unfortunately, I don't have a private detective license for the UK.

If she isn't being paid by some shell company operated by the Egyptian military, then it isn't clear why she's misrepresenting the facts about US involvement in Egypt toward the Muslim Brotherhood. Either way, the Egyptian military would definitely make use of her propaganda in order to legitimize their authoritarian policies. Perhaps, she's just an idiot about foreign policy--seeing that she cites a blog post by earlybird from lucianne.com, which alleged that the US gave $1.5bn Egypt after meetings with the Muslim Brotherhood. (The US gives this money to the Egyptian government, i.e. the military currently in power...).

Final criticism: that article is assuming too much about Egyptian sentiment. There's been many anti-military government protests before this one.

If you want to discuss the sources onto which Sara Ahmed latches, then we can talk about that too.

[Symmetry]

Meh, wasn't this simply the American right wing sabotaging American foreign policy again?

Yes.

The most rational and probable explanation for Egyptians not cheering, crying in happiness, and throwing rose petals at Clinton - as typically happens when American ministers speed through foreign capitals in their armored, 30-car motorcades escorted by helicopter gunships - was that there was a far-ranging conspiracy involving people opposed to Obamacare and FOX News to organize a protest of a routine junket of the Secretary of State to Cairo to create a few hours of minor embarrassment. It's unclear if the protesters were Tea Party members from Burley, Idaho pretending to be Egyptians, but that's - by far - the most logical conclusion.

One would assume that you're not buying into the them being pissed off about Monica Lewinsky? If you're going for anti-Americanism, I can see that, and would suggest that the widely reported accounts from the American right that the US is funding the Muslim Brotherhood might well be an important factor.

Of course, you could have a look at the article and see that said false reports were a major factor, or you could think that Egyptians are unusually bothered by a former president getting a blow job from an intern.

They said "Monica!" only to annoy Hilary because they're annoyed that the US is intervening in their joke of a democratic process--which is a joke due to the Egyptian military, which receives advice from the US.

And you're ignoring the Muslim Brotherhood stuff, why? I don't get this argument that it's not relevant, when I've provided a source saying that it was, with evidence.

hm?

Ohh... haha, I didn't know you posted an article... (whoops). It's interesting. Assuming it's true (e.g. no pictures of placards at protest), then this was a great way for the military to exercise more control over Egypt. As with any protest (and there has been many in Egypt), the main political parties have the funding to encourage people to protest--i.e. pay to protest, or offer membership benefits.

I'd love to see Sara Ahmed's financial history. Unfortunately, I don't have a private detective license for the UK.

If she isn't being paid by some shell company operated by the Egyptian military, then it isn't clear why she's misrepresenting the facts about US involvement in Egypt toward the Muslim Brotherhood. Either way, the Egyptian military would definitely make use of her propaganda in order to legitimize their authoritarian policies. Perhaps, she's just an idiot about foreign policy--seeing that she cites a blog post by earlybird from lucianne.com, which alleged that the US gave $1.5bn Egypt after meetings with the Muslim Brotherhood. (The US gives this money to the Egyptian government, i.e. the military currently in power...).

Final criticism: that article is assuming too much about Egyptian sentiment. There's been many anti-military government protests before this one.

If you want to discuss the sources onto which Sara Ahmed latches, then we can talk about that too.

There are pictures in the article, and also a video at the top. I doubt I can provide Sara Ahmed's financial history, but if you're not willing to look at even the article to see that there are pictures and video evidence, I'm not sure what benefit it would have even if I were able to post them.

If you want to move the goalposts every time, you make it tough.

[BigBallinStalin]

I edited my post. But the other parts still remain pertinent:

Assuming it's true, then this was a great way for the military to exercise more control over Egypt. As with any protest (and there has been many in Egypt), the main political parties have the funding to encourage people to protest--i.e. pay to protest, or offer membership benefits.

Recall how "popular" Hitler was. It's easy to gain support when the alternative is a slumber party at the SS HQ. Protests can be managed, just like any other business venture, to benefit the managers (i.e. the Egyptian military).

(1) Ahmed's financial history would be fun to read--as would the creators' financial histories of that "MB in America" piece of art.

And if there's no foul play, (1), then still the Egyptian military would definitely make use of her propaganda in order to legitimize their authoritarian policies. Therefore, this protest alone isn't a good indicator of popular Egyptian attitudes on politics.

[john9blue]

hey saxi, if you could murder hillary without being caught, would you do so?

also, if you could murder her and then get caught and be forced to spend the rest of your life in prison, would you do so?

[saxitoxin]

hey saxi, if you could murder hillary without being caught, would you do so?

Nice lavender necktie, Special Agent Blue. Entrapment is against the law. (but, for the record, no)

[Symmetry]

I edited my post. But the other parts still remain pertinent:

Assuming it's true, then this was a great way for the military to exercise more control over Egypt. As with any protest (and there has been many in Egypt), the main political parties have the funding to encourage people to protest--i.e. pay to protest, or offer membership benefits.

Recall how "popular" Hitler was. It's easy to gain support when the alternative is a slumber party at the SS HQ. Protests can be managed, just like any other business venture, to benefit the managers (i.e. the Egyptian military).

(1) Ahmed's financial history would be fun to read--as would the creators' financial histories of that "MB in America" piece of art.

And if there's no foul play, (1), then still the Egyptian military would definitely make use of her propaganda in order to legitimize their authoritarian policies. Therefore, this protest alone isn't a good indicator of popular Egyptian attitudes on politics.

Why edit your post? We're having a discussion, and you've retconned your argument to make it seem like it made sense. Given that the article also involved interviews with protesters, I've got to wonder how many posts I have to answer before you read the thing.

As it's fairly obvious that you're mainly interested in dismissing it, even before it was obvious you hadn't read it, and indeed still haven't, is it fair of me to ask you to ask yourself if you think you might have drunk the kool aid on this one?

Which sources do you trust? You can't honestly be laboring under the impression that Egyptians care about Monica Lewinsky.

[saxitoxin]

You can't honestly be laboring under the impression that Egyptians care about Monica Lewinsky.

Keep banging that drum, Symm. We're not here to discuss things - we're here to find out who the winner of the thread will be! Just find a talking point and start repeating it ad nauseam. That it's been triply quashed without rebuttal is irrelevant. If you just start shouting the same mantra long and loud enough and ignore all responses then everyone will grow tired and wander away and you'll have shut the thread down and won the gold!!!!!!