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The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:51 pm

http://www.amazon.com/gp/election-heatmap


Amazon divides books into "red" or "blue" and shares its results. It's an interesting and interactive map, but one can't infer too much from it.
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby rdsrds2120 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:56 pm

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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby Symmetry on Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:09 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:http://www.amazon.com/gp/election-heatmap


Amazon divides books into "red" or "blue" and shares its results. It's an interesting and interactive map, but one can't infer too much from it.


Political books only, and of that category, those that can be considered Republican or Democrat in the US market.
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby kentington on Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:18 pm

The fact that it's mostly red could mean a lot of things.
1) Repub's write more books
2) Repub's feel like they need more help then Dem's
3) Dem's have a higher percentage of illiterates
4) Dem's don't use amazon but pirate the books online instead

I think number 4 is the most likely.
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby Symmetry on Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:24 pm

kentington wrote:The fact that it's mostly red could mean a lot of things.
1) Repub's write more books
2) Repub's feel like they need more help then Dem's
3) Dem's have a higher percentage of illiterates
4) Dem's don't use amazon but pirate the books online instead

I think number 4 is the most likely.


Or that the list is not about all books. But hey!
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby rdsrds2120 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:30 pm

Like BBS said...we can't really infer anything from it. What makes a book red vs blue is pretty hard to narrow down on an objective measure; books that cover both, where do they go?

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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby nietzsche on Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:33 pm

It's a cycle. I remember the books that were the most sold back around 2006.

Remember? You are dumb if you don't have your money in the stock market. Everyone hated republicans, democrats were the way to go.

Now it's doom books that sell. Buy gold.

When the world settles back again gold will lose value and there will be bizarro Phatscotties telling you he said gold was going under, you should have sold!
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby pimpdave on Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:36 pm

Just because they get bought doesn't mean they get read.
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:51 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:http://www.amazon.com/gp/election-heatmap


Amazon divides books into "red" or "blue" and shares its results. It's an interesting and interactive map, but one can't infer too much from it.


It's the same reason Conservative radio and television dominate, and why Liberal talk radio can only survive if it is subsidized and most Liberal television needs subsidies as well.

Reason: there is no market for Liberal talk or ideas.

In English: nobody wants to hear that bullshit, and the market shows they certainly are not going to pay for it.
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:53 pm

Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:http://www.amazon.com/gp/election-heatmap


Amazon divides books into "red" or "blue" and shares its results. It's an interesting and interactive map, but one can't infer too much from it.


Political books only, and of that category, those that can be considered Republican or Democrat in the US market.


Amazon divided the books using a "black-and-white" left-right dichotomy, as oppose to a Republican-Democrat dichotomy.

For example, the following aren't Republican but are considered right-wing:


11. Atlas Shrugged (Rand)
17. The Road to Serfdom: Text and Documents (Hayek)
18. Capitalism and Freedom (Friedman)
22.
Free to Choose: A Personal Statement


and about 14 others.



As for the other "red" books, I can't say because I haven't read them or are not familiar with them.


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What about the "blue" books?


Would you care to argue that the following are Democratic:


Manufacturing Consent: The Political Econo...
.
War Is a Force that Gives Us Meaning
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man (haha, this is left-wing? weird...)
The Post-American World: Release 2.0
.
End This Depression Now!
End This Depression Now! (again).
A People's History of the United States (P...
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
A People's History of the United States: 1...


(that's about 9%, same caveat applies)
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby Symmetry on Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:56 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:http://www.amazon.com/gp/election-heatmap


Amazon divides books into "red" or "blue" and shares its results. It's an interesting and interactive map, but one can't infer too much from it.


It's the same reason Conservative radio and television dominate, and why Liberal talk radio can only survive if it is subsidized and most Liberal television needs subsidies as well.

Reason: there is no market for Liberal talk or ideas.

In English: nobody wants to hear that bullshit, and the market shows they certainly are not going to pay for it.


I'd say the opposite- given that these are only stats for American Repub vs. Dem books, surely the conclusion would be that the right leaning folk are buying propaganda.
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby Symmetry on Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:04 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:http://www.amazon.com/gp/election-heatmap


Amazon divides books into "red" or "blue" and shares its results. It's an interesting and interactive map, but one can't infer too much from it.


Political books only, and of that category, those that can be considered Republican or Democrat in the US market.


Amazon divided the books using a "black-and-white" left-right dichotomy, as oppose to a Republican-Democrat dichotomy.

For example, the following aren't Republican but are considered right-wing:


11. Atlas Shrugged (Rand)
17. The Road to Serfdom: Text and Documents (Hayek)
18. Capitalism and Freedom (Friedman)
22.
Free to Choose: A Personal Statement


and about 14 others.



As for the other "red" books, I can't say because I haven't read them or are not familiar with them.


________________________________________________________________________



What about the "blue" books?


Would you care to argue that the following are Democratic:


Manufacturing Consent: The Political Econo...
.
War Is a Force that Gives Us Meaning
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man (haha, this is left-wing? weird...)
The Post-American World: Release 2.0
.
End This Depression Now!
End This Depression Now! (again).
A People's History of the United States (P...
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
A People's History of the United States: 1...


(that's about 9%, same caveat applies)


A sort of reasonable point, although you ignore the main issue- that these are political books, and largely those that deal with US politics along Republican and Democratic lines.

Would you care to place the top selling book on Amazon into red or blue territory?

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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:13 pm

Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:http://www.amazon.com/gp/election-heatmap


Amazon divides books into "red" or "blue" and shares its results. It's an interesting and interactive map, but one can't infer too much from it.


Political books only, and of that category, those that can be considered Republican or Democrat in the US market.


Amazon divided the books using a "black-and-white" left-right dichotomy, as oppose to a Republican-Democrat dichotomy.

For example, the following aren't Republican but are considered right-wing:


11. Atlas Shrugged (Rand)
17. The Road to Serfdom: Text and Documents (Hayek)
18. Capitalism and Freedom (Friedman)
22.
Free to Choose: A Personal Statement


and about 14 others.



As for the other "red" books, I can't say because I haven't read them or are not familiar with them.


________________________________________________________________________



What about the "blue" books?


Would you care to argue that the following are Democratic:


Manufacturing Consent: The Political Econo...
.
War Is a Force that Gives Us Meaning
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man (haha, this is left-wing? weird...)
The Post-American World: Release 2.0
.
End This Depression Now!
End This Depression Now! (again).
A People's History of the United States (P...
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
A People's History of the United States: 1...


(that's about 9%, same caveat applies)


A sort of reasonable point, although you ignore the main issue- that these are political books, and largely those that deal with US politics along Republican and Democratic lines.

Would you care to place the top selling book on Amazon into red or blue territory?

Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association, Sixth Edition


Ha. That isn't political, and the amazon map is political, but you're smart enough to realize that, right?


Anyway,

Still waiting for you to explain how Rand, Milton, and Hayek are Republican, while Perkins, Zinn, and Chomsky are Democratic---- as oppose to the more sensible and factual reasoning: it's a left-right dichotomy, not a Republican-Democrat dichotomy.

If you cared to read how they determine "red" and "blue," you'd realize that your assumption isn't the full picture; therefore, it's incorrect:

We classify books as red or blue if they have a political leaning made evident in book promotion material and/or customer classification, such as tags.



Why do you hate being wrong?
Or is this a way for you to release some anxiety/pressure within your RL?
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby Symmetry on Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:21 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:http://www.amazon.com/gp/election-heatmap


Amazon divides books into "red" or "blue" and shares its results. It's an interesting and interactive map, but one can't infer too much from it.


Political books only, and of that category, those that can be considered Republican or Democrat in the US market.


Amazon divided the books using a "black-and-white" left-right dichotomy, as oppose to a Republican-Democrat dichotomy.

For example, the following aren't Republican but are considered right-wing:


11. Atlas Shrugged (Rand)
17. The Road to Serfdom: Text and Documents (Hayek)
18. Capitalism and Freedom (Friedman)
22.
Free to Choose: A Personal Statement


and about 14 others.



As for the other "red" books, I can't say because I haven't read them or are not familiar with them.


________________________________________________________________________



What about the "blue" books?


Would you care to argue that the following are Democratic:


Manufacturing Consent: The Political Econo...
.
War Is a Force that Gives Us Meaning
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man (haha, this is left-wing? weird...)
The Post-American World: Release 2.0
.
End This Depression Now!
End This Depression Now! (again).
A People's History of the United States (P...
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
A People's History of the United States: 1...


(that's about 9%, same caveat applies)


A sort of reasonable point, although you ignore the main issue- that these are political books, and largely those that deal with US politics along Republican and Democratic lines.

Would you care to place the top selling book on Amazon into red or blue territory?

Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association, Sixth Edition


Ha. That isn't political, and the amazon map is political, but you're smart enough to realize that, right?


Anyway,

Still waiting for you to explain how Rand, Milton, and Hayek are Republican, while Perkins, Zinn, and Chomsky are Democratic---- as oppose to the more sensible and factual reasoning: it's a left-right dichotomy, not a Republican-Democrat dichotomy.

If you cared to read how they determine "red" and "blue," you'd realize that your assumption isn't the full picture; therefore, it's incorrect:

We classify books as red or blue if they have a political leaning made evident in book promotion material and/or customer classification, such as tags.



Why do you hate being wrong?
Or is this a way for you to release some anxiety/pressure within your RL?


BigBallinStalin wrote:Amazon divides books into "red" or "blue" and shares its results. It's an interesting and interactive map, but one can't infer too much from it.


One of your lazier replies given that I was nuancing your OP-

And as I pointed out in my first response, and indeed the response that you just replied to, your OP was incorrect.

Red, of course would be associated more with Repubs, and blue with the Dems.

Of course, if you feel this has nothing to do with US political parties, on what side does Chairman Mao's Little Red Book fall?
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:26 pm

Ah, I see, we were ships sailing past each other in the dark.

Thanks, Sym. I'll make sure that everyone sends you a copy of their new OP, for your peer-viewing pleasure.
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby Symmetry on Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:31 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Ah, I see, we were ships sailing past each other in the dark.

Thanks, Sym. I'll make sure that everyone sends you a copy of their new OP, for your peer-viewing pleasure.


Indeed, perhaps reply to the folks who took it as a sign of left wing illiteracy above too.

Just for balance ya know...

Seriously though- I wasn't going after you- the OP was kinda misleading, and folks got mislead. That's all.
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby Evil Semp on Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:54 pm

Many assume that Republican supporters upper income brackets and the Democratic supporters are in the lower income brackets.

So are the Republican supporters buying their own copy of the books the Democratic supporters being more frugal sharing their books with each other?
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby Symmetry on Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:19 pm

Evil Semp wrote:Many assume that Republican supporters upper income brackets and the Democratic supporters are in the lower income brackets.

So are the Republican supporters buying their own copy of the books the Democratic supporters being more frugal sharing their books with each other?


I'm not sure I understand...
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby Evil Semp on Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:20 am

Symmetry wrote:
Evil Semp wrote:Many assume that Republican supporters upper income brackets and the Democratic supporters are in the lower income brackets.

So are the Republican supporters buying their own copy of the books the Democratic supporters being more frugal sharing their books with each other?


I'm not sure I understand...


Republicans can afford to buy the book and Democrats buy one and share it with each other.
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby Symmetry on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:02 am

Evil Semp wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Evil Semp wrote:Many assume that Republican supporters upper income brackets and the Democratic supporters are in the lower income brackets.

So are the Republican supporters buying their own copy of the books the Democratic supporters being more frugal sharing their books with each other?


I'm not sure I understand...


Republicans can afford to buy the book and Democrats buy one and share it with each other.


Ah- ok.
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:06 am

Better dead than red?? :lol: :P
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Re: The USA Readership --- Awashed in RED

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Aug 24, 2012 7:09 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:Better dead than red?? :lol: :P

How about, "better dead than read"?
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