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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby Iron Butterfly on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:31 pm

betiko wrote:i absolutely don't agree with the idea. and i don't get why you ask yourself questions about someting that is pure logic. If someone dies in 2012, and you time travel to 2011, that person is not dead yet. Giving our day number is the most stupid thing we can do as mafia can plot in which order to kill people, even more important than the powers people may have.


So the what idea do you have other then guessing?
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby jonty125 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:49 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
betiko wrote:i absolutely don't agree with the idea. and i don't get why you ask yourself questions about someting that is pure logic. If someone dies in 2012, and you time travel to 2011, that person is not dead yet. Giving our day number is the most stupid thing we can do as mafia can plot in which order to kill people, even more important than the powers people may have.


So the what idea do you have other then guessing?


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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby betiko on Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:55 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
betiko wrote:i absolutely don't agree with the idea. and i don't get why you ask yourself questions about someting that is pure logic. If someone dies in 2012, and you time travel to 2011, that person is not dead yet. Giving our day number is the most stupid thing we can do as mafia can plot in which order to kill people, even more important than the powers people may have.


So the what idea do you have other then guessing?


let me put it another way. Didn't you get a scum on day 1? do we think pcm was a misslynch? what good would it bring to have mafia knowing all the day and night sequences? What good night roles do we have out there?? As far as I know, I haven't seen any night role. I stay on NOS who seem far from his meta in my opinion.
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby Iron Butterfly on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:09 pm

betiko wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
betiko wrote:i absolutely don't agree with the idea. and i don't get why you ask yourself questions about someting that is pure logic. If someone dies in 2012, and you time travel to 2011, that person is not dead yet. Giving our day number is the most stupid thing we can do as mafia can plot in which order to kill people, even more important than the powers people may have.


So the what idea do you have other then guessing?


let me put it another way. Didn't you get a scum on day 1? do we think pcm was a misslynch? what good would it bring to have mafia knowing all the day and night sequences? What good night roles do we have out there?? As far as I know, I haven't seen any night role. I stay on NOS who seem far from his meta in my opinion.


Day one was pure luck because of inexperience on his part.

So tell me how do you think the day and night sequences work? If we are in day because PCM is night then the only way to kill PCM would be because we either have a role that can night kill or we need to....wait for it...wait...GO BACK TO THE FUTUREEEE!!!
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby jonty125 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:15 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
betiko wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
betiko wrote:i absolutely don't agree with the idea. and i don't get why you ask yourself questions about someting that is pure logic. If someone dies in 2012, and you time travel to 2011, that person is not dead yet. Giving our day number is the most stupid thing we can do as mafia can plot in which order to kill people, even more important than the powers people may have.


So the what idea do you have other then guessing?


let me put it another way. Didn't you get a scum on day 1? do we think pcm was a misslynch? what good would it bring to have mafia knowing all the day and night sequences? What good night roles do we have out there?? As far as I know, I haven't seen any night role. I stay on NOS who seem far from his meta in my opinion.


Day one was pure luck because of inexperience on his part.

So tell me how do you think the day and night sequences work? If we are in day because PCM is night then the only way to kill PCM would be because we either have a role that can night kill or we need to....wait for it...wait...GO BACK TO THE FUTUREEEE!!!


I think the only way to kill pcm is for us to lynch N6 or D7, and hopefully he will stay dead.
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby Nendreel on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:27 pm

jonty125 wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
betiko wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
betiko wrote:i absolutely don't agree with the idea. and i don't get why you ask yourself questions about someting that is pure logic. If someone dies in 2012, and you time travel to 2011, that person is not dead yet. Giving our day number is the most stupid thing we can do as mafia can plot in which order to kill people, even more important than the powers people may have.


So the what idea do you have other then guessing?


let me put it another way. Didn't you get a scum on day 1? do we think pcm was a misslynch? what good would it bring to have mafia knowing all the day and night sequences? What good night roles do we have out there?? As far as I know, I haven't seen any night role. I stay on NOS who seem far from his meta in my opinion.


Day one was pure luck because of inexperience on his part.

So tell me how do you think the day and night sequences work? If we are in day because PCM is night then the only way to kill PCM would be because we either have a role that can night kill or we need to....wait for it...wait...GO BACK TO THE FUTUREEEE!!!


I think the only way to kill pcm is for us to lynch N6 or D7, and hopefully he will stay dead.


I suspect the only way for permanent deaths is to fill in all the in between days.

GW got lynched on Day 1. Since there's no point in time before Day 1 GW is perma-lynched.
PCM got lynched Day 6, so he's alive and protected for Days/Nights 1-5.
Whoever gets lynched today will be perma-lynched as well (with the exception of making a N1 action if they have one)
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby betiko on Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:08 pm

Nendreel wrote:
jonty125 wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
betiko wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
betiko wrote:i absolutely don't agree with the idea. and i don't get why you ask yourself questions about someting that is pure logic. If someone dies in 2012, and you time travel to 2011, that person is not dead yet. Giving our day number is the most stupid thing we can do as mafia can plot in which order to kill people, even more important than the powers people may have.


So the what idea do you have other then guessing?


let me put it another way. Didn't you get a scum on day 1? do we think pcm was a misslynch? what good would it bring to have mafia knowing all the day and night sequences? What good night roles do we have out there?? As far as I know, I haven't seen any night role. I stay on NOS who seem far from his meta in my opinion.


Day one was pure luck because of inexperience on his part.

So tell me how do you think the day and night sequences work? If we are in day because PCM is night then the only way to kill PCM would be because we either have a role that can night kill or we need to....wait for it...wait...GO BACK TO THE FUTUREEEE!!!


I think the only way to kill pcm is for us to lynch N6 or D7, and hopefully he will stay dead.


I suspect the only way for permanent deaths is to fill in all the in between days.

GW got lynched on Day 1. Since there's no point in time before Day 1 GW is perma-lynched.
PCM got lynched Day 6, so he's alive and protected for Days/Nights 1-5.
Whoever gets lynched today will be perma-lynched as well (with the exception of making a N1 action if they have one)


of course it goes like that, at least it's what makes sense to me. if we kill night 6 today, we will be warped to day 7 and PCM will be dead that day. but then on day 7 if we lynch let's say day 4, we get warped to night 4 where PCM is back and he gets to do his politician action. Lynched/night killed people should always come back on day/nights before their kill and disapear if we go somewhere in time after their death.
This still doesn't solve my doubt. We have played 3 days so far (1,6,2) and we know that these are vodean, iron and ghostly in this order. If vodean is killed today for example, where in time would we go.. night 2? or night1? PCM is alive right now so night 1 still exists at this time. Would be a different story if we were say 7 where PCM wouldn't be in the game......
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby Iron Butterfly on Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:07 pm

I do not see how the game can be played that way. I am day six. I find it hard to believe that I can be lynched or nite killed but still come back before day 6.

Town could be night..some would have to be. Right now the theory is still based on circumstantial evidence. We do not know if mafia did something to save PCM, which is also a possibility.
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby jonty125 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:56 am

Iron Butterfly wrote:I do not see how the game can be played that way. I am day six. I find it hard to believe that I can be lynched or nite killed but still come back before day 6.

Town could be night..some would have to be. Right now the theory is still based on circumstantial evidence. We do not know if mafia did something to save PCM, which is also a possibility.


Hmm, but the thing is he got lynched and we warped. Its not like there was a governor who stopped a lynch or a mafia doctor saving his comrade.
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby betiko on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:32 am

Iron Butterfly wrote:I do not see how the game can be played that way. I am day six. I find it hard to believe that I can be lynched or nite killed but still come back before day 6.

Town could be night..some would have to be. Right now the theory is still based on circumstantial evidence. We do not know if mafia did something to save PCM, which is also a possibility.



well, i think your comments are starting to be all quite odd, I wonder why you are trying to missguide us like that. Doom clearly said it would create a paradox implicitely confirming this theory is correct. You've aknoledged that (wanting to try the paradox) and suddenly since a page or 2 you are playing dumb as if someone had to save pcm in order for him to be alive before his death... :?

tell me how it would create a paradox if it was just a simple mechanics game. Do you see anything in the scene that could make you believe pcm was saved by someone??

And of course all town are not days, some have to be "night" (this has been agreed a long time ago.. there isn't going to be 7 town and 6 scums, and it would be way too simple in case of mass nameclaim) but i don't see what it has to do with the rest of this kill/paradox conversation. NOS and NG1 softclaimed night by the way which is a huge help for scums.
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby Iron Butterfly on Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:22 am

betiko wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:I do not see how the game can be played that way. I am day six. I find it hard to believe that I can be lynched or nite killed but still come back before day 6.

Town could be night..some would have to be. Right now the theory is still based on circumstantial evidence. We do not know if mafia did something to save PCM, which is also a possibility.



well, i think your comments are starting to be all quite odd, I wonder why you are trying to missguide us like that. Doom clearly said it would create a paradox implicitely confirming this theory is correct. You've aknoledged that (wanting to try the paradox) and suddenly since a page or 2 you are playing dumb as if someone had to save pcm in order for him to be alive before his death... :?

tell me how it would create a paradox if it was just a simple mechanics game. Do you see anything in the scene that could make you believe pcm was saved by someone??

And of course all town are not days, some have to be "night" (this has been agreed a long time ago.. there isn't going to be 7 town and 6 scums, and it would be way too simple in case of mass nameclaim) but i don't see what it has to do with the rest of this kill/paradox conversation. NOS and NG1 softclaimed night by the way which is a huge help for scums.


Im not going to get into a pissing contest with you. Watch your wording! You say I am trying to "misguide", which implies I have an agenda against Town. I have been thinking out loud as I always do. I have no idea what the mechanics all I can do is theorize.
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby ghostly447 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:22 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
betiko wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:I do not see how the game can be played that way. I am day six. I find it hard to believe that I can be lynched or nite killed but still come back before day 6.

Town could be night..some would have to be. Right now the theory is still based on circumstantial evidence. We do not know if mafia did something to save PCM, which is also a possibility.



well, i think your comments are starting to be all quite odd, I wonder why you are trying to missguide us like that. Doom clearly said it would create a paradox implicitely confirming this theory is correct. You've aknoledged that (wanting to try the paradox) and suddenly since a page or 2 you are playing dumb as if someone had to save pcm in order for him to be alive before his death... :?

tell me how it would create a paradox if it was just a simple mechanics game. Do you see anything in the scene that could make you believe pcm was saved by someone??

And of course all town are not days, some have to be "night" (this has been agreed a long time ago.. there isn't going to be 7 town and 6 scums, and it would be way too simple in case of mass nameclaim) but i don't see what it has to do with the rest of this kill/paradox conversation. NOS and NG1 softclaimed night by the way which is a huge help for scums.


Im not going to get into a pissing contest with you. Watch your wording! You say I am trying to "misguide", which implies I have an agenda against Town. I have been thinking out loud as I always do. I have no idea what the mechanics all I can do is theorize.



@IB, If you dont see a way someone could still be alive before the time of their lynch, how do you explain how PCM is still active? He was lynched on your day, 6, and now we have come to Day 2 where he lives. Greg was lynched Day 1 and is perma lynched because there is no way to return to such a day, If you were to be lynched today, then vodean killed on (what we assume it would jump to) Night 6, then you would possibly be alive on Day 2, but since that has not occurred prior to this, we dont know. Do you understand now? FOS on you because you seemed to have been getting it a bit earlier in the game. Now even when I wasnt quite clear you are trying to play games.
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby vodean on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:04 pm

vote IB

i noticed IB's strange behavior earlier. his "thinking out loud" is not helping town, regardless of intentions. therefore, i think he should be pressured into explaining more thoroughly/claiming.
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby Iron Butterfly on Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:31 pm

vodean wrote:vote IB

i noticed IB's strange behavior earlier. his "thinking out loud" is not helping town, regardless of intentions. therefore, i think he should be pressured into explaining more thoroughly/claiming.


I have already claimed you fool. I have nothing to explain. The only thing I am guilty of is speculation.

You claim my thinking out loud is not helping Town?? My thinking out loud is what nailed our first Mafia on day one.

This is a very frustrating game for a variety of reasons. Disagreeing with my theories does not make me scum.

So tell me Vodean what exactly have you done to help Town? What exactly is "strange"' about my behavior that warrants a vote?
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Re: Time Warp Mafia [12/13] Day Two: A New Dawn

Postby NoSurvivors on Sat Dec 01, 2012 7:35 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
vodean wrote:vote IB

i noticed IB's strange behavior earlier. his "thinking out loud" is not helping town, regardless of intentions. therefore, i think he should be pressured into explaining more thoroughly/claiming.


I have already claimed you fool. I have nothing to explain. The only thing I am guilty of is speculation.

You claim my thinking out loud is not helping Town?? My thinking out loud is what nailed our first Mafia on day one.

This is a very frustrating game for a variety of reasons. Disagreeing with my theories does not make me scum.

So tell me Vodean what exactly have you done to help Town? What exactly is "strange"' about my behavior that warrants a vote?


I dont think IB has been scummy this game, plus yeah, he pegged GW day 1 by doing the exact same thing he did now. However, IB you said you were day 6, thats not a claim, that's a name claim lol.. just thought i should point that out.

betiko wrote: I stay on NOS who seem far from his meta in my opinion.


What? I'm pretty sure I am normally a smart ass who doesn't contribute much unless he is 110% sure he knows who the mafia is, or if he is pressured. I defend myself and dont you worry, I am following along. This game is rather difficult to figure out. I am pretty sure that PCM is mafia, but I can' be sure. It would have been nice to know, but w/e. Clearly you don't know me well at all.. lol
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