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[degaston]

Bit harsh Deg, the latter post is clearly sarcastic.

I thought about that, but if he is actually being sarcastic with his last statement, then the implication is that he thinks we should just give a free pass to players who make no contribution whatsoever. Either way, I think it's a pretty scummy attitude.

[skillfusniper33]

So going off mtams suggestion of looking up post counts Virus has 10 posts in this thread.

The reason no one can find me is because you can't spell my frieking name right... Just go to the post with all the players (post 2 I believe) and use the wonderful copy paste function...

The inactive players are bad lynching targets because most have indicated they are busy irl which is not alignment indicative, and there are too many people in this huge game who have indicated this to assume they're mafia - even too many to assume the majority of them is mafia. Mtam was even called out on his 'inactivity' and he's apparently Harry flipping Potter.

I regret to inform you I have found no posts by Skillful sniper on the pages I checked, I think we should lynch him

So skill is a bad lynching target, but we should lynch him, but you haven't voted for him. I guess if you take a stand on all three sides of an issue, one of your positions has to be right, eh?

The real question I would have had here was how the hell did he make it this far without being prodded and replaced when nothing had happened?

Also wings why would aage want to protect me? If anything he would try to flip it to make him look town by building a case against me to distance himself, that is if I were scum.

This really pisses me off right here, just like almost every other post you have made it is pretty useless, and contradicts yourself with you next post... Another waste of time and space that my computer has to load.

at least 44 posts by Dazzler,but I agree with Hotshots about the quality of the posts,alot of posts are aimed at one or two players it gets tiring to read the same old arguement,I do not post much because I do not have much to say and why repeat whats already said. but I will post more if needed

JUST WANTED TO GET ANOTHER POST IN

Vote Madmitch, even though nothing will likely come of this case.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

This really pisses me off right here, just like almost every other post you have made it is pretty useless, and contradicts yourself with you next post... Another waste of time and space that my computer has to load..

So you want to be lynched?

[dazza2008]

Can you guys do something useful please?

Oh but we are. Mudpuppy, no time to make a post, manages to do a post count. Dazza, no time to build a case, manages to do a post count.

At least the others are staying true to form and just being absent.

Additionally, if we lynch the most inactive it will kick everyone up the arse and get some conversation in here.

I never really said I don't have time to post. I said I don't have time to read back through what i plan to read. I will try tonight if the kids sleep otherwise I won't.

My top 2 suspects are endgame and hotshot so I will likely vote one of the 2 but I need to read.

[Talapus]

This really pisses me off right here, just like almost every other post you have made it is pretty useless, and contradicts yourself with you next post... Another waste of time and space that my computer has to load.

at least 44 posts by Dazzler,but I agree with Hotshots about the quality of the posts,alot of posts are aimed at one or two players it gets tiring to read the same old arguement,I do not post much because I do not have much to say and why repeat whats already said. but I will post more if needed

JUST WANTED TO GET ANOTHER POST IN

Vote Madmitch, even though nothing will likely come of this case.

Ok, now I'm confused. So you wnt to lynch him because you are pissed about his play style, but not necessarily because he may be scum? I mean to each there own man, but lynching on playstyle isn't always the best move. Hell some people wanted storr thrown under the bus because of how he was playing and the same could be said for the guy claiming HP. Personally I may not like it but I certainly wouldn't vote them for it. But you gave a reason so I guess I understand, just disagree.

[Talapus]

Oh, and Endgame has 21 posts.

Though a count doesn't really prove much of anything. But as it's the way the wind is blowing and everyone wants one well there it is.

[Ragian]

@dazza, why do you suspect those two? I'm also having suspicions about endgame which is why I've sent some questions his way. What are your reasons?

[Endgame422]

The post count thing is useful because it gives everyone someone to re-read and (theoreticly)a better read.
As to why i voted pershy ive already stated my reasoning but i understand things its easy to miss a few posts out of every thousand so i dont mind clarifying here.
I was voting DD to try and get a readable reaction from him.
When the deadline was pretty close dd popped in and made a townish post so mission accomplished.
Then im watching the pershy case unfold and i thought his early claim seemed strange and that pershy was indeed more likely scum than dega was.
At that point(something like 4 hours before deadline) we all knew either dega or pershy was getting the noose so i went for who i thought appeared scummier.
If i were scum why would i even get involved?
Both D1 lynch targets were (likely) town. Now if deg ends up scum we will all really be kicking ourselves but im buying his claim.
Scum knew that neither of the candidates were scum so they could just let it happen and keep the blood off their hands.

[MudPuppy]

Not that I think this list should be used as a primary tool for a lynch, it is a decent gauge of activity (through Endgmes 5/25 3:15pm post):

017 *Pixar*
058 aage
028 charm
050 dazza2008
024 dd515087
117 degaston
023 Endgame422
107 got tonkaed
019 HotShot53
014 madmitch
039 Metsfanmax (32)/Iron Butterfly (7)
136 mtamburini
042 MudPuppy
014 pershy (Dead D1) Severus Snape - Town Vig
023 Ragian
060 sempaispellcheck
010 skillfusniper33
170 StorrZerg
058 Streaker
037 strike wolf v1.0 (Dead N1) Professor McGonagall - Town Watcher
038 strike wolf v2.0 (8)/BGtheBrain (30)
030 Talapus (24)/dakky21 (6)
011 virus90
045 WingCmdr Ginkapo (36)/jbfloyd (9)

[MudPuppy]

Errr... if it's not obvious, that's the number of posts before each person's name.

[Ragian]

Cheers for the list, MP.

@endgame, fair enough. I found it weird that you abandoned dd because of his post. Wasn't it just like, "Hello, I'm still here." I can follow your argument on your vote, though.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mudpuppy, no time to make a post, manages to do a post count.

Replace Post with Case.

Though I see no reason not to vote for Skills. Is anyone going to defend him?

Unvote Vote Skills.

[dazza2008]

@dazza, why do you suspect those two? I'm also having suspicions about endgame which is why I've sent some questions his way. What are your reasons?

Just feelings I was getting during day 1 and into today. I will post more when i get time to reread it.

[madmitch]

VOTE SKILL The reaons are your are being a rude nasty person just like a scummy mafia type would do. and the other reason is you voted for me.I know it is a weak reason but it is just as good as some others and now I can try out my new wand

[StorrZerg]

To storr: what day 1/2 have I been very active in, if I'm not part of a back-and-forth discussion on a case, either one I'm on or one against me? Day 1 I tried to start a case on charm, but not many others joined it and charm didn't post much do defend herself, so there wasn't much to post about. Otherwise, I commented on the cases as they were occurring, as I always do. I don't make posts if I have nothing important to add just for the sake of making posts. So far on day 2 not much has been going on except the people jumping on you and mtam again, which as I had previously posted was not smart to do, So with nothing else to go on, I looked at the most likely places for scum (on the pershy mislynch and the deg almost lynch), since I didn't have time to look at everyone in depth. Out of that, there are a few people I found more scummy and would be willing to join cases on them.

For dazza, I'm not voting him for the inactive pressure, but because that's the only case he's tried to start, otherwise he was just bandwagoning votes. If someone is scum and wanting to start a case to appear towny, starting one on an inactive is as easy as it gets, so he doesn't get towny points from me for that.

I get the feeling storr started the "case" on me just to see what others would say/see how I would respond, not because he actually thinks I am scum, especially since he voted for one of my cases rather than for me lol.

you dont have a case on mets. you came to a rambling conclusion, you are not actively seeking to inform people that mets is scum, you are chewing on it as an afterthought.


And you explaining your case on dazza doesn't do anything again. How can you ever expect people to believe your side when you play as mafia, if you can't believe it yourself?
If your town, still stands to point that you really have no heart in this case, and its very weak. Since the focus point shouldn't be that he "started a case on pershy" but rather his poor reasons to jump on.

Mafia jumps on the easy results, and conclusions. "Pershy town, First to push pershy MAFIA"

[StorrZerg]

16 pixar i think

[StorrZerg]

@mudpuppy why didnt you include claims by people????

i get they are not necessarily "confirmed"

[Metsfanmax]

VOTE SKILL The reaons are your are being a rude nasty person just like a scummy mafia type would do. and the other reason is you voted for me.I know it is a weak reason but it is just as good as some others and now I can try out my new wand

Has there ever been a post you made in this game that wasn't a wagon?

If i were scum why would i even get involved?

You might think this is a fair question, but I've made this mistake before as scum -- trying to prove I'm town with a late-day vote or post. It ended up backfiring. Sometimes people just do poor things to prove something, especially if it's a lie.

Both D1 lynch targets were (likely) town.

Then your choice of who "appeared scummier" doesn't make much sense. The best thing to do in this case is the lynch that will give the most information. Though I think in this case we got that.

Now if deg ends up scum we will all really be kicking ourselves but im buying his claim.

Shouldn't. You go with the information you had at the time. If you feel bad in retrospect about such a decision that means you were intentionally playing badly the first time around.

Scum knew that neither of the candidates were scum so they could just let it happen and keep the blood off their hands.

Or, scum knew that degaston was scum and engineered a late-day switcheroo. I tend to prefer your explanation but just be aware that it's not the only one. We should avoid using circular reasoning to prove that dega is town.

[aage]

Alright Storr, I've looked at the posts from this day so far and a few of Hotshot's posts from day one and I kind of agree up to a point. His day one posts were fairly short, and they were few. Especially this post sticks out:

I would have preferred everyone switching to storr.... but since the choice is now between pershy and deg, deg's claim is fuller and more believeable, plus he has been more active and will probably be more help to town in the future, so I will unvote, vote pershy

Well... looks like I was FP and he has enough votes on him already, so I will unvote vote storr as the person who should have been lynched amongst the claimed people

Voting Pershy for good form but switching to you (Storr), also apparently for good form, as if the bandwagon on Pershy is tainted. He expresses support to the Pershy wagon and associates himself with it, but switches off when he notices that he can. I can't help but feel he jumped off because he knew Pershy was town. HotShot, why did you do this?

Then we have the day 2 posts. Out of the ten-ish pages we have, there are four posts containing a vote analysis of the end of day one, and two of those are actually by HotShot.

Dd
Dd seems to have missed Sempais double vote which puts a dent in his Mudpuppy analysis, other than that it's a decent enough start but he seems to focus on Mudpuppy over everyone else.

Degaston
This analysis I like the least because Deg gives us two scenarios for each player and then connects a read to it with no particular motivation. His "strongly town"-read on Mudpuppy seems based on the fact that MP believed his claim. His other reads are not substantially supported at all.

Hotshot on the Pershy wagon
Hotshot on the Degaston wagon
These are decent analyses compared to the previous two, but as Storr said they are a point-by-point description of what the players did and then a read based on a hunch or feeling.
It should be noted that HotShot believes scum to be on the Degaston wagon, and not on the Pershy wagon (by extension, this probably means he believes Dega to be town, despite his unconvincing ); that he votes for Dazza, who was on the Pershy wagon, even though he has two suspects on the Degaston wagon; and that he himself has associated himself with the Pershy wagon he proclaims as a Town wagon as discussed above.

The problem is that this is the only effort so far to get cases rolling. There have been some new cases and votes for them but few of them are warranted and none of them are convincing. Analysing the wagons is a very good starting point, even if HotShot doesn't bring his points home, not even close tbh.

I'll vote HotShot just to get some pressure rolling because I want him to respond to this, specifically concerning the quoted post above, and I want other people to get involved in the game again. Activity is eye watering.


On a related note Storr, do you think that the mafia significantly supported the wagon on either Pershy or Dega?

[StorrZerg]

doubtful, more likely stayed on their own votes less likely to switch.

2 max on each llikely imo

[aage]

Just noticed I missed a part of a sentence in my post:

Hotshot on the Pershy wagon
Hotshot on the Degaston wagon
These are decent analyses compared to the previous two, but as Storr said they are a point-by-point description of what the players did and then a read based on a hunch or feeling.
It should be noted that HotShot believes scum to be on the Degaston wagon, and not on the Pershy wagon (by extension, this probably means he believes Dega to be town, despite his unconvincing analysis of Dega's behaviour, his read is solely comprised of the claim even though he mentions Dega was scummy D1); that he votes for Dazza, who was on the Pershy wagon, even though he has two suspects on the Degaston wagon; and that he himself has associated himself with the Pershy wagon he proclaims as a Town wagon as discussed above.

@Storr, I agree, both wagons were unlikely to reach a majority after people unvoted Dega. If there had been a convincing majority lynch on a townie, I would say it's likely the mafia flocked on it. As it occured at D1 end, there was too much chaos for the mafia to make an entrance and a safe escape route.

[dd515087]

Cheers for the list, MP.

@endgame, fair enough. I found it weird that you abandoned dd because of his post. Wasn't it just like, "Hello, I'm still here." I can follow your argument on your vote, though.

I did that after my prod and then a full post examining the game later

I'll go ahead and unvote, vote skillful sniper Inactivity and low quality in his few posts. BTW it's not because we spelled your name wrong that we can't find your posts, you can organize all posts by author in alphabetical order.

[mtamburini]

Not that I think this list should be used as a primary tool for a lynch, it is a decent gauge of activity (through Endgmes 5/25 3:15pm post):

017 *Pixar*
058 aage
028 charm
050 dazza2008
024 dd515087
117 degaston
023 Endgame422
107 got tonkaed
019 HotShot53
014 madmitch
039 Metsfanmax (32)/Iron Butterfly (7)
136 mtamburini
042 MudPuppy
014 pershy (Dead D1) Severus Snape - Town Vig
023 Ragian
060 sempaispellcheck
010 skillfusniper33
170 StorrZerg
058 Streaker
037 strike wolf v1.0 (Dead N1) Professor McGonagall - Town Watcher
038 strike wolf v2.0 (8)/BGtheBrain (30)
030 Talapus (24)/dakky21 (6)
011 virus90
045 WingCmdr Ginkapo (36)/jbfloyd (9)

Thanks for making me get EVERYONE TO BE ACTIVE AGAIN............................

[MudPuppy]

Pershy lynch votes starting at 11:29 with Deg still ahead 8-7:

11:29 #1: strike wolf (confirmed town after his N1 death) votes Pershy: 8-8
11:29 #2: aage unvotes deg & switches to Pershy: 9-7 Pershy
11:30 #1: degaston unvotes Storr & votes Pershy... but did not bold/red vote... so doesn't count: 9-7 Pershy
11:30 #2: MudPuppy unvotes Pershy: 8-7 Pershy
11:30 #3: degaston unvotes Storr & votes Pershy in corrected format: 9-7 Pershy
11:32: HotShot unvotes deg & votes Pershy then unvotes Pershy & votes Storr in same post: 9-6 Pershy FINAL VOTE COUNT

aage was my #1 scum read before the vote and his vote pushing Pershy to a 2-vote lead for a lynch bothered me since I was going for a tie... especially given he later suggests the move to Pershy is unwise:

I really dislike this shift because hasty decisions are usually bad decisions..

I was a bit upset that deg also pushed Pershy to a 2-vote lead. I find the vote by my town-read a bit scummy. I can certainly understand a vote for Pershy based on self-preservation but am suspicious that it came at the last minute rather than when he was on earlier. Explained it with this post:

Dega, you didn't even vote Pershy before? lmfao.

I had to leave at 11:30. Figured I'd leave it up to everyone else to decide what to do. I was surprised that I was not already dead when I came back.

Deg, why did you change your mind about leaving it up to everyone else?

I also had an earlier suspicion about HotShot based on a weak scum meta read on him. While his ultimate vote on Storr was inconsequential, his unvote of deg certainly widened the margin.

I also was trying to keep an eye on those visiting the forum. Saw Streaker and charm (briefly) online in past couple of hours of D1. Also saw madmitch & Talapus online near very end... but none opted to post. I did not see aage or HotShot on until they did post. While any of that lurking, or lack thereof, can be explained away... I look upon it suspiciously.

There are plenty of options to pursue here but I'm going to stick with my D1 read and vote aage.

fp'd by mtambo.... lol, sorry Harry.

[dd515087]

@MudPuppy I did dislike aage a little bit, especially with the contradicting posts on whether or not to lynch an inactive, but he came back strong with his most recent couple of posts IMO