The Hobbit Mafia [Town win]

[BuJaber]

Pretty graphs. I hope I'm wrong just to commend the effort. But you can post sure, why not vote? I mean voting for Thor was a little weird not really sure what kinda "full claim" you were hoping to get. At this late stage it's pretty much vote to lynch.

And did you intend not to unvote?
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Spees lynches are dangerous in normal circumstances but at this point we need to prevent the wrong lynch.

[MudPuppy]

And did you intend not to unvote?

Yes, that was the intent... for now I'm still pushing for a claim from HotShot.

[HotShot53]

While Flores is a fine vote for lack of activity, so is HotShot... and I'm more familiar with HotShot's history of flying under the radar. On the other hand, HotShot has been posting at least once a day since returning (and each with some substance) which could either be that he truly now has time to participate as stated... or it's a response to the pressure against him. Since Flores has gone too long without a post, I'd be very open to pressing her for a claim. I'll give her 'til this evening to 'splain her absence and to get input from the others who have expressed interest in HotShot. I also want to re-read the posts she has made and then I'll reevaluate my vote.

In short, I'm good with getting a claim from either but I'm not sure which one we have a more realistic chance of pressuring before the deadline. I would not be OK with a speed lynch of Flores before she responds.

LV, would you please prod Flores (5 full days without a post)?

I get lynched more for scummarizing than for anything I post, so it'd be kind of a negative strategy for me at this point lol. If I had been actually scummarizing, I would have started posting as soon as Skoffin started bringing it up, instead of waiting a couple more days and letting more people jump on.

The deadline is tomorrow... so Flores had better get here soon, or she should be replaced.

I don't think the pressure on MM is that crazy/scummy... Skoffin says that's part of his meta, but no-one else has said that, people are just taking Skoffin's word on it. I still haven't seen MM make any comments on anyone or anything game related other than jumping on the Thor bandwagon. So my vote is staying on him.

[ZaBeast]

Kamikaze Jawa --> Only posts saying he’s reading and trying to find scum tells, no discussion whatsoever; votes no-lynch on his first post, but maybe it was an honest mistake.

My last two posts were questions about the bandwagons and how dakky announcing he would vote unvote someone could possibly make sense pressurewise.

Otherwise, no I'm not really sure what else I can contribute on D1. Now that Thor is confirmed townie, am I correct that the current popular thought is to lynch either Masket or Hotshot?

That is exactly my point

What is the point of attempting to pressure MM by voting for him if you announce that you plan to unvote him later anyway? Seems rather dodgy to me

It's the only post I found where you actually voiced an opinion, instead of asking questions about the mechanics or who were the viable lynch options. I haven't seen you make a vote either since you voted no-lynch. And not voting is the same as voting no-lynch.

People are leaving the MM train. Is it because MM has gone completely silent? Is it because his lack of contribution? It reeks if nothing else. Skoffin's violent defence is noted too.

My problem with the MM train was that I felt it started to stink. Not because of MM's comportment (because it still looks like scummarining), but the last votes, especially one post (I think it's DDS that said it) who basically said that MM should be voted instead of HotShot because he was the better of the two, and therefore potentially more dangerous as a scum. I also did take into account who cast those last votes.

St. Thorthoth of Thorin Town's, own list of descent from Townish to Scummish.

Townish: Samlen

Unknown: Raglan, DDS, Kamikaze Jawa, Hotshot

Unknown but Too Quiet: Flores de Mal, IcePack

Slightly Scummish: Skoffin, Mudpuppy, Mitch

Moderately Scummish: PIka, MM, Bujaber

Quite Scummish: ZaBeast, dakky

So basically, people voting or that expressed the intent to (me) for you are scummy? I know dakky didn't vote for you, I guess he's on your list because of the pressure he put on you at the beginning of the day, am I right?
And I too am wondering why Sam of all people would be the most townish.

HotShot has been posting at least once a day since returning (and each with some substance)

Well, I like his two last posts, which I felt had actual content, but prior to that, it was only a few lines at most. Still feels like scumarining to me. Nice graphs btw. HotShot is still my no.1 candidate for the lynch as of now.

[Minister Masket]

That mod announcement is quite unprecedented, in my own playing history at least.
So either Thor has some very compromising photos of Lovo.....or it's an ability. Unvote

The problem with Masket vs Hotshot is that Masket, imo, has proven to be the far deadlier player no matter which alignment. If he's scum, that's ALOT of breathing room on our end, if not, doc will just have to protect him in the mean time. Hotshot on the other hand, well, you pretty much just eliminated the reasoning as to why I wouldn't want to pursue him. The same thing has applied to the likes of DJfireside

Aww...thanks for the compliment. And the odds here are still massively favoured to me being town, so at least give me a chance past D1 to show my true potential eh?

People are leaving the MM train. Is it because MM has gone completely silent? Is it because his lack of contribution? It reeks if nothing else. Skoffin's violent defence is noted too.

No it's because it was a baseless bandwagon to begin with. Frankly I'm surprised it got to 6. Then again I've come back from an 8 vote one before (a more deserved one that time) so it wasn't like I was even close to claiming.
Skoffin hasn't been the only one defending me but she's definitely been the most....vitriolic about it? I'm almost tempted to say it resembles a 'non-town buddying up to a town player early on' tactic, but considering the weak arguments against me, could just as easily be a sensible town player too.

2 or 3 other suspicious players I'm tempted to turn my vote to, but need to re-read.

[Skoffin]

Minister Masket (2): Hotshot53, dakky21
Thorthoth (1): Minister Masket,
No Lynch (3): Samlen, Icepack, DirtyDishSoap
Not Voting (2):FloresDelMal, Kamikaze Jawa
Hotshot(4) - Zabeast, mudpuppy, skoffin, madmitch
Buj(1) - Ragoo
flores(1) - Buj

I believe this is where we currently stand. We have about 24 hours left to get shit done so it's going to be tight without an extension. I doubt Flores will appear before the time is up to make a claim; not that I would not be cool with voting her but it does mean we'd be doing so with the possibility that we won't know a claim before time expires and we risk a PR surprise.

For the record, cause you bitches love honesty amirite, I never really felt that strongly on either Masket or hotshot to begin with; I just wanted to see how people reacted and what they had to say about it, and to test how easy/difficult it would be to move people around. It was based how people acted after the fact that convinced me masket is likely town; people wanted to lynch masket while ignoring meta but were excusing other people for meta, I did bullshit a bit about Masket's meta actually but not one person actually went to see if they could prove me wrong. Hence I get the feel that scum just wanted to remove one of the better players here to make their game easier.

I am quite surprised and wary about how quiet both dakky and mitch are being; this is quite unusual for the both of them.

[dakky21]

Skoff, as a 3rd party in Mass Effect mafia I wanted to lynch both town and scum so it didn't matter who I pick on... hence the lot of posts. Here I need to pick only scum so it's pretty much different. I'm pretty much stuck between no lynch and voting someone else than MM, or leave the vote on him. Hotshot seems as a good choice but I don't have the "hunch" on him. Mitch is quiet I agree, but Flores is quieter. I'm willing to vote her, but I'd rather see if it's possible to get a replacement, as always.

[ZaBeast]

MM unvoted thor.
I wouldn't risk lynching without a claim on D1, esp. with Flores. She did say she might post less for a week (see below). Not posting at all is a bit different, but maybe there is a reason to it.
I read back her posts and here's an except from the last one: (here); posted on the 17th

anyway i am going later today to visit my inlaws for a week with frenchy chan, so my activity might come down a notch or two, or maybe not

[ZaBeast]

And by PR, you mean power role and not post restriction right?

And about Flores, I would add it's hard to know whether she actually couldn't access CC because she has no game in progress for a while and disabled the option to know whether she is online or not so the last visit doesn't show.

[Thorthoth]

I just thought Samlen feels townish because he gives good advice, as opposed to the more common situation of bad advice masquerading as good...

btw, Unvote

[Skoffin]

@Dakky Fair point in that regard my man, I'll give you that. Though I do recall you being a bit more talkative in general as compared to here. Just be the outspoken and free spirit you were born to be!
You gotta bolieve!
I don't really have a much better hunch on hotshot either, I just have people I am less willing to vote as they appear town.At this point our only real options are Buj, hotshot and flores based on comments and voting patterns. I don't really want to lynch Buj, whereas flores I do not think is even here to respond. That only really leaves hotshot to get any sort of reaction from.

@ZaBeast Yes I mean Powerrole

[MudPuppy]

I'd forgotten Flores' post about being away... so, will give her the benefit of the doubt and assume her expected internet access was not available. Any case against her can wait 'til D2 as far as I'm concerned and I'll keep my vote on HotShot.

[ZaBeast]

I should also add that I just checked some games from HotShot and it is true he's been kinda thight with time in some games, so I think his excuse is valid. At the same time, he did take his turns though.
Relevant exemples:

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Note that his posts ended on the 13th, and some of these examples were prior to that, meaning he did manage to both play his turns, even if some were nearing the end, and play mafia. I guess it is to be expected though, since his workload probably gradually increased instead doing so suddently. Since his inactivity was the main reason for my vote, I don't think he's as viable a lynch candidate as I thought he was.

At this point, with either HS and flores as the main lynch targets, I think we might be better off with a no-lynch than a speed lynch (oh the heresy), since the inactivity of both may be explained and that's the main reason between those votes. I should be active tomorrow until about 4 hrs before the deadline, but I can't promise anything.
Sorry for the indecision and unvotes, I should have checked earlier, but I'll have to Unvote for now, since he may have an excuse for the inactivity and he's been more involved lately.
I'll assess the situation again tomorrow, but I will say I am open on voting (in a decreasing openness order) BuJaber, dakky, DDS, KJ

BuJaber --> Proposes three way to end the day, two of them basically consisting of blindly jumping on a bandwagon and lynching people semi-randomly; soft-claiming a useless character

dakky21 --> I dislike his way to do scumhunting because he was just throwing random accusations around, but people say that’s how he rolls

DDS for his OMGUS "you should lynch MM over Hotshot because he's the best of the two"

The problem with Masket vs Hotshot is that Masket, imo, has proven to be the far deadlier player no matter which alignment. If he's scum, that's ALOT of breathing room on our end, if not, doc will just have to protect him in the mean time. Hotshot on the other hand, well, you pretty much just eliminated the reasoning as to why I wouldn't want to pursue him. The same thing has applied to the likes of DJfireside.

KJ for not actually voicing his opinions, most posts except one so far being questions about mechanics and saying he's looking for tells.

Now as to whether it is feasible: BuJ is a maybe as he already has one vote on him; the rest I don't think will be reached in time. For now, I'll Vote BuJaber. As I said, I'm open to changing my vote if the case of seomeone else in my list gains more traction

[ZaBeast]

I just thought Samlen feels townish because he gives good advice, as opposed to the more common situation of bad advice masquerading as good...

btw, Unvote

So basically everyone voting for you is scummy to some degree (I think you ranked us in terms of voting order), and people who vote no-lynch (because I guess that's the good advice you're talking about) are town?
Nothing's ever as black and white, and don't go complaining if we stop listening to your nonsense after some time.

[madmitch]

@ SKOFFIN, yes I have been quiet, 1 death in family, 2 you told me to change my play style and I am trying to, but I will go back to my old ways if you want

[Pikanchion]

Vote: IcePack; Here is every single one of their posts*:

Confirm my role

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My take on the breakdown is simply in the Day 1 story I believe it was, Gandalf was addressing specifically 13. So it would be 13 (14 if Gandalf comes but as MP story wise that doesn't fit) and 3 scum. Whether all scum are working together or not idk but that's the breakdown I would expect to see

Game mechanics speculation (poorly thought out/researched speculation at that).

For the record, I'm also generally pro no lynch Day 1. I believe I joined DDS previous debate thread w that stance as well. While I might get an inkling of something, I don't see us being able to get a strong enough sense for someone to lynch.
Especially in a bigger player game like this, not as urgent as a 8 or 9 player game.

That being said now that I've read through everything twice, I am getting a scum vibe from a few people.

With that said, I support vote no lynch today unless someone really strongly screws up or convinces me otherwise. I want to see how my FOS react to this and also Day 2 where they go. Then I really start narrowing in on people fwiw

To my pal Rags ,I have not voted yet because it was suggested that I vote and unvote to many times, but now I think I will VOTE THORTH I don`t like his no-lynch ideal :x

Why thorth over DDS or some of the other no lynch advocates? Or me?

Call for a No-Lynch, swiftly followed by a now-classic of The Hobbit mafia: the "I have suspicions but I won't tell you who or why", and an odd attempt to discredit madmitch for not pre-emptively voting IcePack under the assumption they would make the very post in which they attempt to do said discrediting, because you know, that makes sense...

You posted your stance on the lynch-no lynch issue after he posted his vote. DDS, always has this stance, so it is not alignment indicative.

Right, I know my post was afterwards. I wasn't questioning why me specifically, but in general anyone w a no lynch stance. Which is why I included myself. While DDS is always no lynch, I want to know madmitches reasons for selecting him over Thor. He specifically says he disapproves of the ideal so anyone could be targeted (even DDS) but why select one over the other?

2) You look like you're hiding under your no-lynch stance to avoid scum-hunting. But you're right, I would also like to have the stance of other players, esp. IcePack since he clearly said he had some suspicions. From what I understand he'll try to make a case out of it on D2, but I don't see why he can't just now.

I know you're not addressing me here in the first sentence but as I have similar stance and need to reply to the second part, definitely not avoiding scum hunting. I have the same if I feel there's a case to be made I'll vote but in general will be no lynch unless otherwise convinced today.
Regarding why not today instead of tomorrow, because it's weak today and making the accusation puts them on the defense and can hide their true reactions. I want to see what / how they reply on D1/N1 and D2 as I think it can provide a much stronger case instead of giving my FOS now and they avoid replying in ways that add to my FOS.

"[I'm] definitely not avoiding scum hunting" -Citation needed.

Just to clarify thorthoth, my experience is limited. I've played x2 mafia games on CC and maybe one or two dozen in person versions. Not a noob but I wouldn't call myself experienced as you listed there.

Nothing of import.

BuJ wrote:
Plus you ask people to make the same rediculous claim as you. It's almost like you want to get lynched.
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Is there any chance we have a hobbit jester?

No way of telling without a lynch.

Well....yeah, I'm saying any characters make sense in the hobbit for a jester

Nothing of value.

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*Double posts condensed
Also (and in relation to that) FOS MudPuppy for being, I can only assume, deliberately misleading with their post count graphs, counting consecutive posts by a single player as distinct posts is somewhat disingenuous.

[Skoffin]

*audible screaming*

[Pikanchion]

Could we get a short (~24-48 hour) extension?

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10. There will be no length of day. If I feel the days are dragging I will oppose a deadline with a minimum of 72 hours notice of an end of day

Certainly day 1 has gone on for some time now, however we do have active discussion at the moment (even with multiple AWOL players) and I wouldn't really describe that as "dragging".

[Pikanchion]

*audible screaming*

omg shuddup

[IcePack]

Hey Pika, just because I haven't posted doesn't mean I'm not here reading. As I said, I would have more to go on personally D2 for various reasons. Not to mention, I've only played small 8/9 player forum ones and the speed in which people are playing / posting here I'm having a hard time keeping up just reading due to my RL schedule. Call it scum, call it whatever. People on CC know what my CC volunteer schedule is like and should probably understand more then just a mafia player here.

The game started around Page 3 (Sept 9th) and I volunteered Page 6 (Sept 12th). In 11 days since then theres been 12 PAGES of posts. That was not the speed in which I expected and caught a bit off guard. By the time I read something and formulate something, theres half a page of long new posts to consider. For a newer player its a bit of a shock.

So yeah, sorry about my inactivity. I have been keeping pretty diligent notes and expect to have more insight and reactions in D2. IDK how that warrants a vote, I mean if you value activity so much in order for tells, why would you vote the inactive player when you have other posts to be working off and getting those tells?

Anyway fwiw:

Game mechanics speculation (poorly thought out/researched speculation at that).

Yep, you guys had been going on for awhile and I read through the posts and asked a question that was immediately shot down by you. When in fact others have posted similar things to what I said before, and since, which you didn't really address. For the very little interaction I've had in this game, you seem to be happy to aim / correct at me.

Gandalf was addressing the 13 hoods worn by the 13 Dwarves who had arrived, and his own wizard hat in addition. Bilbo had no hood, as he had not expected to be going on an adventure at all. I would not read any more into that opening paragraph, as that would lead us to believe we have 13 dwarves as the town side and no Bilbo...

This was your reaction to my D1 take on the story provided. When you read the D1 story, it says nothing about bilbo not having a hood or not. So I dont know how you can speculate he wasn't part of the group. IDK how it can be poorly thought out or researched when literally its based off a 3 paragraph introduction. But sure. Whatever floats your boat.

Call for a No-Lynch, swiftly followed by a now-classic of The Hobbit mafia: the "I have suspicions but I won't tell you who or why", and an odd attempt to discredit madmitch for not pre-emptively voting IcePack under the assumption they would make the very post in which they attempt to do said discrediting, because you know, that makes sense...

On the contrary, I did say why. I said I wanted to see how the people on my FOS list reacted to today. I wasn't trying to discredit madmitch, I simply asked him a question to gather more info on why he did something. Again, a very strange way to twist what I said / did. But whatever.

Nothing of import.

Nothing of value.

Sort of like your posting here and vote? My question about whether game mechanics / story about a jester imo is important, because as I said, if we suspected a jester bcuz it appeared someone was trying to get lynched, it certainly would be important to know so you DONT LYNCH A JESTER. Pretty easy to deduce that mate.

Anyway, I'm doing what I can to keep up. I basically started the 13th, and have made some minor attempts to get some additional info / clarification on items that I noted. (5 posts in 10 days, in which I said I would be more active the next day anyway) so I dont see how again, you would expect me to be wildly busy responding to things when I specifically said I would be more active D2.

I mean, I could very understandably be judged if D2 comes along and I'm just as quiet. Feel free to judge me on my actions and activity at that point. To do so before then I find curious, at best.

[HotShot53]

So yeah, sorry about my inactivity. I have been keeping pretty diligent notes and expect to have more insight and reactions in D2. IDK how that warrants a vote, I mean if you value activity so much in order for tells, why would you vote the inactive player when you have other posts to be working off and getting those tells?

Nothing has stood out as particularly scummy yet for the people who are posting... so the default response is the scum might be hiding by not posting. At the very least, putting pressure on the less active people encourages them to contribute and post more.

[IcePack]

So yeah, sorry about my inactivity. I have been keeping pretty diligent notes and expect to have more insight and reactions in D2. IDK how that warrants a vote, I mean if you value activity so much in order for tells, why would you vote the inactive player when you have other posts to be working off and getting those tells?

Nothing has stood out as particularly scummy yet for the people who are posting... so the default response is the scum might be hiding by not posting. At the very least, putting pressure on the less active people encourages them to contribute and post more.

I’ve never understood that mindset. Forcing activity from town to make comments when they have none forces them to reach, forces them to comment, attack, insinuate when there’s nothing there and confuses / gives others more ammo to build fake cases on and scum to use to convince other town.

[BuJaber]

That's okay Ice; it's a positive thing if that happens. From what I've seen in forum games the best way to catch scum is how they react to votes and cases. So say someone builds a case on someone (me on MM earlier for example), people will then react to it. It is in the reasoning for their defence of the target or the reasoning for their vote that we can identify their alignment.

This is the strategy for the early game anyway. Town has nothing else to go on. Later on in the game we build cases on something more concrete.

Btw Rag voted for flores so it's 2 on him now. Unless his vote doesn't count. Did he not unvote?

[Pikanchion]

Hey Pika, just because I haven't posted doesn't mean I'm not here reading. As I said, I would have more to go on personally D2 for various reasons. Not to mention, I've only played small 8/9 player forum ones and the speed in which people are playing / posting here I'm having a hard time keeping up just reading due to my RL schedule. Call it scum, call it whatever. People on CC know what my CC volunteer schedule is like and should probably understand more then just a mafia player here.

The game started around Page 3 (Sept 9th) and I volunteered Page 6 (Sept 12th). In 11 days since then theres been 12 PAGES of posts. That was not the speed in which I expected and caught a bit off guard. By the time I read something and formulate something, theres half a page of long new posts to consider. For a newer player its a bit of a shock.

So yeah, sorry about my inactivity. I have been keeping pretty diligent notes and expect to have more insight and reactions in D2. IDK how that warrants a vote, I mean if you value activity so much in order for tells, why would you vote the inactive player when you have other posts to be working off and getting those tells?

Reading and saying nothing is worse than not reading at all. The fact you made your first post in almost a week so quickly after mine and doubled your word count for the game while doing so speaks volumes; you are actively lurking, doing so in the full knowledge that it makes you look bad, and now being extremely defensive about it.

Game mechanics speculation (poorly thought out/researched speculation at that).

Yep, you guys had been going on for awhile and I read through the posts and asked a question that was immediately shot down by you. When in fact others have posted similar things to what I said before, and since, which you didn't really address. For the very little interaction I've had in this game, you seem to be happy to aim / correct at me.

And you're saying I haven't done the same with respect to others this game? -Perhaps you're suggesting that I'm focusing on you unfairly despite all evidence to the contrary?

Gandalf was addressing the 13 hoods worn by the 13 Dwarves who had arrived, and his own wizard hat in addition. Bilbo had no hood, as he had not expected to be going on an adventure at all. I would not read any more into that opening paragraph, as that would lead us to believe we have 13 dwarves as the town side and no Bilbo...

This was your reaction to my D1 take on the story provided. When you read the D1 story, it says nothing about bilbo not having a hood or not. So I dont know how you can speculate he wasn't part of the group. IDK how it can be poorly thought out or researched when literally its based off a 3 paragraph introduction. But sure. Whatever floats your boat.

And yet rudimentary research of The Hobbit will clearly show that Thorin's Company consists of 13 Dwarves (each with a hood) who were accompanied both by Bilbo and occaisionally Gandalf, while the fact that Bilbo is an unsuspecting (and hence unprepared for adventure) Hobbit and that Gandalf wears a tall pointed shady blue hat with a brim (rather than a hood) actually is explicit from said opening scene, which makes the fact that none of those hoods belonged to either character rather implicit. So yes, either the most basic of research or simply thinking about the implications of the opening text without any research would have made this clear. Of course if one were to "properly" research such things (not that I'm saying this is the level people should be going into, rather I just enjoy doing so as my interactions with Minister Masket have shown...) from the book:

“That leaves you just ten minutes. You will have to run,” said Gandalf.
“But—,” said Bilbo.
“No time for it,” said the wizard.
“But—,” said Bilbo again.
“No time for that either! Off you go!”
To the end of his days Bilbo could never remember how he found himself outside, without a hat, a walking-stick or any money, or anything that he usually took when he went out; leaving his second breakfast half-finished and quite unwashed-up, pushing his keys into Gandalf’s hands, and running as fast as his furry feet could carry him down the lane, past the great Mill, across The Water, and then on for a mile or more.
Very puffed he was, when he got to Bywater just on the stroke of eleven, and found he had come without a pocket-handkerchief!

and likewise in the film version he also had no hood or indeed handkerchief (although of course in the films nobody else had a hood either).

Call for a No-Lynch, swiftly followed by a now-classic of The Hobbit mafia: the "I have suspicions but I won't tell you who or why", and an odd attempt to discredit madmitch for not pre-emptively voting IcePack under the assumption they would make the very post in which they attempt to do said discrediting, because you know, that makes sense...

On the contrary, I did say why. I said I wanted to see how the people on my FOS list reacted to today. I wasn't trying to discredit madmitch, I simply asked him a question to gather more info on why he did something. Again, a very strange way to twist what I said / did. But whatever.

"I'm scumhunting by saying nothing to or about those I'm suspicious about so I can judge their reactions to these allegations I'm keeping to myself" -Sounds effective, how's that working out for you? Got any leads yet?

Nothing of import.

Nothing of value.

Sort of like your posting here and vote? My question about whether game mechanics / story about a jester imo is important, because as I said, if we suspected a jester bcuz it appeared someone was trying to get lynched, it certainly would be important to know so you DONT LYNCH A JESTER. Pretty easy to deduce that mate.

Anyway, I'm doing what I can to keep up. I basically started the 13th, and have made some minor attempts to get some additional info / clarification on items that I noted. (5 posts in 10 days, in which I said I would be more active the next day anyway) so I dont see how again, you would expect me to be wildly busy responding to things when I specifically said I would be more active D2.

I mean, I could very understandably be judged if D2 comes along and I'm just as quiet. Feel free to judge me on my actions and activity at that point. To do so before then I find curious, at best.

You heard it here first, folks: "Scumhunting and voting for people is of no value or importance."
Regardless I actually chose my words in that part quite deliberately:

Just to clarify thorthoth, my experience is limited. I've played x2 mafia games on CC and maybe one or two dozen in person versions. Not a noob but I wouldn't call myself experienced as you listed there.

Nothing of import.

BuJ wrote:
Plus you ask people to make the same rediculous claim as you. It's almost like you want to get lynched.
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Is there any chance we have a hobbit jester?

No way of telling without a lynch.

Well....yeah, I'm saying any characters make sense in the hobbit for a jester

Nothing of value.

I did not say knowing about Jesters was unimportant; I said correcting another player about your level of experience was unimportant. I did say your questioning around Jesters had no value however, and I stand by that: you asked everybody else to speculate for you on whether any of the characters in The Hobbit would make sense as a Jester, but you made no attempt to work this out on your own or put forward any real reason for this to be the case except Thorthoth's odd behaviour. It's akin to saying "I think "X" may be case, but I want the rest of you to work out the reasoning behind my own suspicion for me." How is that of any value?

[Ragian]

Reading MM's posts makes me want to vote for him again. I'd rather Flores be replaced the blind lynched (that's the new thing, right?). So all that Skoffin said and did was a ploy?

unvote

We're going nowhere together. I'll go witness a freak pour water on a child
I'll be back later.