The Hobbit Mafia [Town win]

[Skoffin]

You say ploy, when really you should say "Look at all this discussion Skoffin generated! If only everyone were as fab as she!"

[Kamikaze Jawa]

KJ for not actually voicing his opinions, most posts except one so far being questions about mechanics and saying he's looking for tells.

Because quite simply, I don't have an opinion regarding anyone's guilt. To me it looks like you are all solely basing suspicions on what you know of each others playstyles or inactivity. Whether you believe me that I'm new to the game itself, you can all at least agree that I'm new to all of you, so I have nothing to base an opinion on regarding your playstyles or activity levels in other games.

If that gets me pounced on again for 'being scummy', so be it.

[lord voldemort]

Vote Count 1.7


Hotshot (4): ZaBeast, MudPuppy, Skoffin, madmitch
No Lynch (3): Samlen, Icepack, DirtyDishSoap
Minister Masket (3): Hotshot53, dakky21, FloresDelMal
FloresDelMal (1): BuJaber
Icepack (1): Pikanchion
Not Voting 45):Kamikaze Jawa, Minister Masket, Thorthoth, Ragian


With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

I have set a deadline for Sunday Night (US TIme). Click here for time in your location.

Could we get a short (~24-48 hour) extension?

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10. There will be no length of day. If I feel the days are dragging I will oppose a deadline with a minimum of 72 hours notice of an end of day

Certainly day 1 has gone on for some time now, however we do have active discussion at the moment (even with multiple AWOL players) and I wouldn't really describe that as "dragging".[/color]

Sorry, the day has lasted 2 weeks now. And the end of day is lined up for my day off work. So that I can be around.

[Skoffin]

I don't get ZaBeasts case on Jawa either. They appear to be genuinely a newbie and there is a learning curve to this; none of us were great when we first started and Day one is always particularly difficult. We literally have a few players here who have played multiple games here that are also saying they don't know what to D1 and they will participate more D2; out of everyone Jawa is the only one that really has a legitimate excuse.

[FloresDelMal]

hey guys, i read up til now and i don't have much else to add, except that i do find super WTF that mitch is asking dakky to keep pressuring thor after he expressed that he thought he might be town, skimming much mitch?

anyway i am going later today to visit my inlaws for a week with frenchy chan, so my activity might come down a notch or two, or maybe not, but it is ticking me in a bad way the absence of MM building a case on anyone or even throwing suspiscion around, i did unvote him, because my vote on him was only based on his defense of gollum as a pro town role kinda of stuff, but right now i am suspiscious of him for a whole different reason, even though he got called on his lack of real contribution he just laughed it off and rode into the sunset, this remind me of his perfomance on the lion king when he seemed quite helpful but was rarely voting for anyone, and he won the game for scum, so for now seeing the pattern repeat itself i have troubles seeing him as protown, therefore Vote MM

ok, sorry for the week off, it was a strange and busy week for me, i am very sorry for your loss mitch, i can empathize with you even more now that this week makes a year since 2 of my dearest persons left, also i am very sorry for everyone who was touched or have loved ones being touched by the natural disasters that seems to be hitting everywhere at the same time, having family in the D.F. i know how trying it is to be far of those who need you.

That being said i am still halfway through my reading, right now i am on page 14, but since my vote was ignored not once but twice i am wondering, did i use the wrong shade of green? oh well, once i am done with my reading i'll post again, but adressing the comment of skoff, yes, i do see the similarities between MM's behavior now and the lion king, but i can not say about mass effect, because i did not play that game and i have never read a game where i did not play, i just dont have the time to pay attention to games where i dont play, but if you could be willing to expand on your views ill gladly consider your input.

[ZaBeast]

I don't get ZaBeasts case on Jawa either. They appear to be genuinely a newbie and there is a learning curve to this; none of us were great when we first started and Day one is always particularly difficult. We literally have a few players here who have played multiple games here that are also saying they don't know what to D1 and they will participate more D2; out of everyone Jawa is the only one that really has a legitimate excuse.

You're right that a few players said they couldn't figure out who scum were yet, and maybe I'm being too harsh with KJ. He is being extra careful, and I expect it may be due to not wanting to look scummy. Now, he may well be a townie not wanting to give any scum tells by mistake, but he may also be a scum. As for the lack of actual content, I'm not asking him to find out who the scum are right away, but I'd expect some more opinion from him (and from anybody else who didn't yet, *cough*MM*cough*). You don't need a PhD in mafia strategy to be able to say "hey, I find X is not involved much" or "this argument doesn't look good to me", which is already something.
As I sidenote, I don't see why you all say that D2 is easier. If we cannot manage to lynch, which is likely given how it's going, there is not that much info we can get on D2 except have a dead townie and the investigation results from town's power roles, and I don't think they'd be too keen on sharing as it would make them a lovely target for the following night. Though that may help town if we do have a tracker because he can track the most likely NK and hopefully catch scum, which I'm guessing is the strategy to use.

Reading and saying nothing is worse than not reading at all. The fact you made your first post in almost a week so quickly after mine and doubled your word count for the game while doing so speaks volumes; you are actively lurking, doing so in the full knowledge that it makes you look bad, and now being extremely defensive about it.

Completely agree. As he said, I'd rather wait to see what he has to offer coming on to D2 though. There's also the possibility that he is waiting for D2 because he can do stuff on N1...

Also, I did unvote, but it seems it was hidden. I think I'll take the other green font to make it stand out more. Unvote
As I said, am open to voting anyone in my list (BuJ, dakky, DDS and KJ)in a decreasing order of openness, but I don't think a lynch is happening anyways.

[IcePack]

Alright, I tried.

Lord V please replace me

Cheers folks.

Reading and saying nothing is worse than not reading at all. The fact you made your first post in almost a week so quickly after mine and doubled your word count for the game while doing so speaks volumes; you are actively lurking, doing so in the full knowledge that it makes you look bad, and now being extremely defensive about it.

As I said, I post when I can. The pace of this simply is more than I’m able to handle. But thanks for that and being an ass about it.

[ZaBeast]

D1 is arguably be the one with the most posts, esp. now since the deadline is near. You never know, maybe scum will pick thor during the night, and that alone could make the number of post dwindle quite a bit I agree on the number of posts though, I think usually a game this size is a bit more than 30 pages long and we're already at 19.
Since we're already near D2, I think you might as well wait until then, if not only to see who the NK target is.
Also (if you don't change your mind), could you please say who you were suspicious of? Not knowing is killing me.

[IcePack]

I am leaving for sure ZuB. This is supposed to be a fun side game for me. But being told that I have to research the books, movies, and keep up w a page per day before I post is just not something I can handle. And apparently my trying to ask those who have the time and have researched the books and film questions so that I don’t have to isn’t acceptable either. So basically if I don’t put my life and other things on site on hold I’m not a valuable contributor here.

And apparently my lurking to try to stay involved and informed and post when I have time only makes it even worse.

That’s not going to happen so I’ve asked LV to find someone who has that kind of time. If LV is ok w me sharing final thoughts I’ll be more than glad to try to sum up what I had up until this point. But as I’m not a player anymore idk if that’s appropriate

[lord voldemort]

Officially looking for a replacement....

Thanks Icepack. But no more thoughts please

[Kamikaze Jawa]

Now, he may well be a townie not wanting to give any scum tells by mistake, but he may also be a scum. As for the lack of actual content, I'm not asking him to find out who the scum are right away, but I'd expect some more opinion from him (and from anybody else who didn't yet, *cough*MM*cough*). You don't need a PhD in mafia strategy to be able to say "hey, I find X is not involved much" or "this argument doesn't look good to me", which is already something.

I got pounced on immediately and told I was scummy, so yeah, trying to be more careful but still being accused of being scummy. And if you read my last post, I said outright that overall the arguments presented so far are nearly exclusively 'so and so posts this way in other games. Or so and so isn't posting as much as I think s/he should be'. That seems to be literally the primary basis for any and all suspicions, and without having participated in those previous games, I'm not sure what you want me to say.

In 11 days since then theres been 12 PAGES of posts. That was not the speed in which I expected and caught a bit off guard. By the time I read something and formulate something, theres half a page of long new posts to consider. For a newer player its a bit of a shock.

^ this right here.

[FloresDelMal]

Now another thing to mention is that I have said that this information could potentially be harmful to town under the right circumstances, so what makes you think it's a good idea that everybody begins wildly speculating about it? Every question you've asked recently seems almost deliberately scummy, why are you now suprised of the Jester accusations? For the record I doubt we have a Jester, and am somewhat doubtful we even have any third parties, but that's besides the point.

Truth be told, it never made sense to announce that you have information that could help or harm to begin with. It's basically saying "Hey! Kill me first or I'LL WRECK U!". I'm no fan of Thor or how he's been playing this, at all, but come on man, there was no reason for you to reveal or indicate anything, on Days 1.


And why would you be doubtful of having a third party in this? We've somewhat established at this point that Smaug and Gollum would be present in this. Smaug wasn't a friend to anyone, and Gollum only cared about himself and the ring. I would rather not fall into believing that we don't have SOME sort of third party present in a large game like this, when it also can fit thematically.

i agree with most of DDS opinion here, but i dont think making a slip and hinting to have important information on D1 is something indicative of scumminess, i think a townie eager to have things moving could make such a slip, and i dont think that necessarily paints a target on him for scum NK, because it also makes itself a prime candidate for Doc's protection, if the Doc actually believes his information could be useful the following days, what rubbed me off was the request for "almost claiming", that was a bit misleading and could have potentially exposed many ppl, thankfully, it didnt play that way, so now i feel more comfortable saying that i have never gotten a dual role on CC mafia, and this game is not any different, make of that what you may.

Now about thor, a long time ago i said that he was either scum or jester, and after that spontaneous VT claim and the campaigning for a mass claim, and the reiterative comment "i am not scum' is making me lean towards an 80% jester, though skoff brain tumor theory might prove right at the end

I do believe that thematically a third party fits, but i believe we could have a lone third party, like a survivor and/or SK, i dont think something like cult or masons could fit this game, just my 2 cents.

MM joined my bandwagon... what a douchebag. I suppose I should join his bandwagon in retaliation... but no, I will remain rational.
MM might be town. Doesn't he usually stay pretty quiet... Even if he is town, getting lynched would make a good lesson for him to change his play style...

I think usually scum knows who each other are on Day 1, but that might not always be true...

What would the point in D1 be if scum don't know who each other are? Lynching someone that may be on your team or not makes no sense. There wouldn't be a way to get scum tells from anything.

Besides, if I do stay around I might serve as a useful town catalyst/ detective.

You've been more of a scum tell beacon than a scum tell detective.

i swear this is not a game of lets pick on the noob, any oldie making it that easy could get the same treatment

Your long rambling post at the top was just thoughts that pretty much everyone thinks through, but just don't waste time writing them down. In the end that speech didn't really conclude much.

I'll ask you the same thing I ask Ragian; if Masket is playing D1 here the same way that he has played D1 in other games as town, on what basis do you determine his actions are scummy? Masket may not contribute much now but he always ends up contributing plenty in later days. On the other hand Hotshot has not contributed D1 and he is notorious for not contributing in general. So why Masket over Hotshot? I'm starting to get the sense that people are avoiding the hotshot possibility entirely and I'm starting to wonder why.

Honestly i am still suspiscious of MM and since i havent played in literally years i can only use lion king as my reference, but if you are defending him that hard it could be interesting if someone could investigate you or see how this plays later on, and i dont remember at all hotshot playing style, if you say that he is often unhelpful i will take your word for it, and i will consider MM seriously for day 2 candidacy if nothing better comes along, but right now i don't want to split the votes and risk learning nothing, so ill go ahead and Unvote Vote Hotshot and cross my fingers that we will get it right.

Fun fact: I've survived the previous two games I've played in (won one), so why would I change my play-style now when it's working so well?

If you're going to theorise that Pika and I are scum, then you're going to have to analyse the lore discussion we had near the start. IE: would we openly debate like that knowing we were both scum? At first glance you might think so because it's a simple way of driving an imaginary wedge between us early on, so players don't suspect we're linked.
Ahh, but many of us here are experienced players, so now you have to bear in mind that reverse psychology is in play - we're banking on everyone else thinking exactly that so that we can get away with it.

The question then for you is do you think that reverse-reverse psychology is in play?

Okay, that does it. Vote MM.

what does it? a bit of tongue in cheek schooling? this OMGUS has me itching to switch my vote to you, but i do believe you are a smallish threat to us even if you were scum, though overconfidence has often ended with me NKed

Mod Announcement

I am confirming that Thorthoth is aligned with Thorin's Company

and that is the only way that the scummiest townie i have ever seen got any town credibility, seriously, you better stop running your one man show of scumtells and start to focus on what is better for all of us, and just as a reminder OMGUS is never a solid argument.

Since Flores has gone too long without a post, I'd be very open to pressing her for a claim. I'll give her 'til this evening to 'splain her absence and to get input from the others who have expressed interest in HotShot. I also want to re-read the posts she has made and then I'll reevaluate my vote.

In short, I'm good with getting a claim from either but I'm not sure which one we have a more realistic chance of pressuring before the deadline. I would not be OK with a speed lynch of Flores before she responds.

LV, would you please prod Flores (5 full days without a post)?

i got officially prodded, and i made a mini post right away because i am a slow reader, and i was afraid the deadline could arrive before i could get any input done, the reasons why i was absent, were several and all of them are quite personal to hold much relevance on the game, but anyway here i go, first i was away from home staying with ga7 parents, and i am a bit oldfashioned in the way that i priorize ppl in my life over games anyday, then i had to plan and cook a celebration meal for the independance of Chile for the family and friends, which i rocked by the way, but i had mixed feelings about it, because last year around this national party both of my grandparents who raised me died in Chile with only a couple of days of difference while i was stuck here in france and didnt even manage to score a flight to get to their services, but my dad loved to celebrate the independance day, so in his honour i still pushed myself to celebrate, even though i didnt play music, and it was more of a quiet pleasent meal more than a party, and then the earthquake hitted mexico, where my siblings live, and to me it was more important to use my on line time to find out that they were in danger rather than being keeping up with CC, so yeah, strange week, and now that i could be opening boxes from my recent moving to this new home, here i am, checking CC because i am actually enjoying this game and i dont want to be lynched for no good reason, btw, i am totally agaisnt no lynch and unjustified claiming, so don't expect to get much from me, last game i played i got lynched without claiming and saw skoff getting lynched despite claiming an obvious town role, so that's it as explaination, also i do tend to have a lower post count than most, but that is not because i skim or dont play the game, it's just that i prefer to do long posts adressing multiple issues with their quotes, rather than making tons of fluff posts, i dont know what else i could add, but feel free to ask anything if is not clear enough.

People are leaving the MM train. Is it because MM has gone completely silent? Is it because his lack of contribution? It reeks if nothing else. Skoffin's violent defence is noted too.

No it's because it was a baseless bandwagon to begin with. Frankly I'm surprised it got to 6. Then again I've come back from an 8 vote one before (a more deserved one that time) so it wasn't like I was even close to claiming.
Skoffin hasn't been the only one defending me but she's definitely been the most....vitriolic about it? I'm almost tempted to say it resembles a 'non-town buddying up to a town player early on' tactic, but considering the weak arguments against me, could just as easily be a sensible town player too.

2 or 3 other suspicious players I'm tempted to turn my vote to, but need to re-read.

even though i am not sold on your towniness, i did make the same point on skoff and that's why i said it could be interesting to keep this in mind, and i could like to get an investigation on her (of course if she happens to be town there is no need to out yourself as the investigator, in fact even if she is scum, there is no much need either if you can just build a solid case, it's never a good idea to out oneself if not absolutely necessary)

[Thorthoth]

Flor, bottom: line: You were completely wrong about all your predictions concerning me... so your post-facto name-calling only embarrasses yourself.

I've never used the acronym, 'OMGUS', but I'm happy to send your own quote right back in your face.
LOOK in the mirror, Flora: [quote =FloresDelMal] OMGUS[/quote]

No knock off your 'out of-town trips' and try to keep up in the game.

As for me, sure I may very well be taking a crossbow bolt for the town tonight, but that's all well and good, ...I'm just VT.

[Ragian]

I could be persuaded to lynch Thor even knowing he's town. The post above can only be viewed as an attempt to win some sort of reward for making most eyes roll.

I could stil vote for MM. Other cases, I'm not sold on...

[Pikanchion]

Alright, I tried.

Lord V please replace me

Now can we get an extension?

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Unvote: IcePack
Vote: Hotshot53

I will probably try to post reasoning later as I don't have time at this precise moment, but with the time constraints it more or less comes down to we should lynch somebody who had a bandwagon on them at some point as this gives the most information and currently it looks like we'll have nothing but Thorthoth's town-sided-ness to go on tomorrow... Which of course isn't actually any more than we have right now, and today looks to be ending in No Lynch. It is my sister's birthday today and I will quite probably be drunk when I get back though (not to mention potentially cutting it fine on the technically 1 am "my time" deadline), I might try checking back on my phone while I'm out but the last time I tried to do that on this site sober I wanted to kill myself so who knows.

[FloresDelMal]

Flor, bottom: line: You were completely wrong about all your predictions concerning me... so your post-facto name-calling only embarrasses yourself.

I've never used the acronym, 'OMGUS', but I'm happy to send your own quote right back in your face.
LOOK in the mirror, Flora: [quote =FloresDelMal] OMGUS

No knock off your 'out of-town trips' and try to keep up in the game.

As for me, sure I may very well be taking a crossbow bolt for the town tonight, but that's all well and good, ...I'm just VT.[/quote]

*giggles* you made my day, thanks! now maybe you dont know what OMGUS means and that is: "oh my god u sucks" which is the nickname to the sort of voting that comes as a reaction to someone else voting you, or finding you scummy, like you did with MM without building much of a case, because again, i am not picking on you but a quote and "thats it vote mm" is not really a case; and really i dont think i called you names, unless jester (which i was honestly beliaving it was your role and the reason i never voted you) or scum are considered name calling, but if i offended you im sorry, your posts have made me smile and laugh more than once and i could not like to turn you off from mafia, i find you all in all refreshing and kinda cute even thought misguided, you sound young to me, but i might be wrong, anyway just chill, everyone makes blunders at the beggining; hell i still do blunders now, and i know i am not alone, i just had to ask ga7 IRL help because i screwed my quotes once again and i struggled to get them straight and dont be too nervous about the night phase, i dont think that any scum worth his salt could target you, i mean you are obviously not VT, because no VT has ever got the mod backing his claim, but you dont really strike me as being in peril either, just aunt Flo's opinion anyway for whatever is worth.

Anyway, im off to cook dinner and i don't know if ill be around for the deadline, anyway my vote has been casted and my reasons have been given, everyone enjoy what's left of this sunday

[FloresDelMal]

OMGIS, or OMG I sucks, how did i manage to screw yet another quote? must be the lamest super power ever

[BuJaber]

A big part of my case on Flores was that she didn't vote. It appears the vote count was wrong on that regard, so I'm moving to Mud.

Unvote Vote MudPuppy.

[Ragian]

vote MM

I'll check in before bedtime, but this is the only vote I'm comfortable with right now.

[MudPuppy]

I think that makes the current vote count (assuming IcePack's No Lynch vote is no longer included):

Hotshot (5): MudPuppy, Skoffin, madmitch, FloresDelMal, Pikanchion
No Lynch (2): Samlen, DirtyDishSoap
Minister Masket (3): Hotshot53, dakky21, Ragian
MudPuppy (1): BuJaber
Not Voting (4):Kamikaze Jawa, Minister Masket, Thorthoth, ZaBeast

Less than 4 hours to go.

[ZaBeast]

I kinda agree with ragian on the thor case. I'm not saying we should lynch him, but my issue with him is that he seems to be finding everyone who disagree with him scummy and everyone agreeing with him townish. I'm affraid as the game progresses he'll vote for BS reasons (town player X criticized his playstyle while scum Y was a no-lyncher, or some bullshit of the sort), and/or possibly hammer in before a claim, potentially leading to a wrong lynch. And god forbid there's a cult, because then thor could well be recruited since he's confirmed innocent now and not likely to get killed. Unless he can get Lord V to make the town announcement more than once.
@Thor, try to play rationnally instead of disliking people who don't think like you. You really think the votes on you were that scummy? Had anyone other than you done even ¼ of all the scum tells you did and I would have voted him them off a lot faster. Skoff, Pika, MM, ... claiming VT and asking everyone to claim and getting away with it? No way that would have happened. Then again, they wouldn't have made this rookie mistake, but that's a different story.
Now it is pretty clear that HotShot is probably the only viable lynch candidate if we don't have an extension (and probably even if we do). Most of his case hinged on the fact that he hasn't been posting, and therefore has been scumarining. Now, as I said, I looked back at his games and it seems he got close to missing turns on some of them, which tends to indicate he might be busy, as he said he was. He also used this excuse in one of the games I linked, so I think we shouldn't hold his inactivity against him. It does not make him town, however, I think we're pretty much back to square one with him. And I'm agreeing with thor (wtf is happening) on that I think a blind lynch would be worse than no lynch at all.
About BuJ, his argument on Mud makes more sense than I thought at first glance. Dakky did the same thing with the MM wagon, saying he'd unvote. However, I feel the main difference with the thor's case is that as he had already claimed vanilla townie, and at this point a name claim shouldn't have made a difference in whether you think he is scummy or not. I can buy it he wanted to get out of the wagon before thor got lynched to not look as bad, but still making thor's case gain traction. I shouldn't be the one to say that, since I've been jumping off wagons for a while now, but I'll vote MudPuppy (and this time I won't unvote, I won't be back until after the deadline).

[ZaBeast]

And I realize I'm doing pretty much what I was reproaching to HS, voting for the no.1 target of your no.1 target, but I should say BuJ got up (less scummy) a few positions lately. This lynch is probably not happening anyways.

[Kamikaze Jawa]

So HS currently has 5 votes? Is there any reason other than not enough activity?

[Pikanchion]

So HS currently has 5 votes? Is there any reason other than not enough activity?

Nah not really.

[Kamikaze Jawa]

So HS currently has 5 votes? Is there any reason other than not enough activity?

Nah not really.

Well with 10 minutes until deadline, and no reason to vote for him outside of inactivity, I'm going to vote no lynch