The Hobbit Mafia [Town win]

[DirtyDishSoap]

Nah, doesn't have quite the right tone I'm looking for.

Seems with absolutely no deaths we are back to where we started; anyone keen to try no lynching again?

We're not exactly back to square one. Someone may have prevented the kill, or role blocked the correct person. Perfect time to pressure other players. Question is, who felt the most passionate about whom to cause the block?

Makes no sense to go after Thor, since he's the only confirmed town via mod announcement.

I'm going to go with a gut feeling on this, and pressure Vote: ZaBeast. (It's nothing more than a hunch, nothing concrete).

I'm also open to the possibilities of Flores whom has been mostly absent, or perhaps Dakky, whom also has been rubbing me wrong.

FP'ed: I'm more open to the possibility of Dakky after his last post.

[Kamikaze Jawa]

Night 1 bringed no new info. We're practically in D1 still. No lynch will not get us anywhere, so I think people should say what they did overnight, and that may clear up this confusion while exposing scum in the same time.

Can I vote dakky for the use of 'bringed'? :p Kidding but I am placing my vote on him currently. I have no real reasons other than he appears to have rubbed several the wrong way, and applying pressure to someone at this point seems to be the best way to get some information.

[Ragian]

There will be no picking on people to whom English is not the first language

@KJ, you have now joined a bandwagon, and you are basically saying that it's because others are on the case. Do you not feel the case yourself? If not, I'd advise you not to join a bandwagon as it is considered very scummy.

[Kamikaze Jawa]

There will be no picking on people to whom English is not the first language

It was a joke, and I didn't know english isn't his first language. It wasn't meant offensively.

@KJ, you have now joined a bandwagon, and you are basically saying that it's because others are on the case. Do you not feel the case yourself? If not, I'd advise you not to join a bandwagon as it is considered very scummy.

At this point, every post I make gets accused of being scummy for one reason or another, so I'm in a damned if I do and damned if I don't situation. My opinion is the same as it was Day 1, that all of you have been pointing suspicion on each other for no reason other than because you know each others playstyle from previous games. Since we have no new information on Day 2, we're not much better off. And as several people said on Day 1 mass votes might force information out of people. At least I'm being honest about my reason for voting, and I can change my vote before the deadline if necessary.

[madmitch]

Wow what a lucky night for us especially Thort, Dakky asking about actions does sound scummy but I think he might be on to something. Do we start all over with new suspects or should we be like Rags and stick to our D1 favorites and push them harder? I was suspicious of Thort until he was proven town and then Ifollowed Skoffin lead on Hot Shot but basically the vote was split and time ran out so there was not much pressure put on the suspects we had,right now I am thinking either MM or HS ,they seemed to be the popular ones at the moment

[Skoffin]

I was being facetious regarding no lynching. We would have something from the night (at minimum someone saved someone) but it's unlikely we'll hear about that.

I'm interested in dakky as D1 he did not participate as much as he normally does and his comments today were dubious too. He just does not sound like his usual self to me. Unless you have abetter suggestion?

[Thorthoth]

Wow what a lucky night for us especially Thort, Dakky asking about actions does sound scummy but I think he might be on to something. Do we start all over with new suspects or should we be like Rags and stick to our D1 favorites and push them harder? I was suspicious of Thort until he was proven town and then Ifollowed Skoffin lead on Hot Shot but basically the vote was split and time ran out so there was not much pressure put on the suspects we had,right now I am thinking either MM or HS ,they seemed to be the popular ones at the moment

No... dakky is the popular one at the moment. FOS @ Mitch.

[Kamikaze Jawa]

No... dakky is the popular one at the moment. FOS @ Mitch.

Do we take that as a sign of mitch defending dakky for some reason?

[Ragian]

There will be no picking on people to whom English is not the first language

It was a joke, and I didn't know english isn't his first language. It wasn't meant offensively.

@KJ, you have now joined a bandwagon, and you are basically saying that it's because others are on the case. Do you not feel the case yourself? If not, I'd advise you not to join a bandwagon as it is considered very scummy.

At this point, every post I make gets accused of being scummy for one reason or another, so I'm in a damned if I do and damned if I don't situation. My opinion is the same as it was Day 1, that all of you have been pointing suspicion on each other for no reason other than because you know each others playstyle from previous games. Since we have no new information on Day 2, we're not much better off. And as several people said on Day 1 mass votes might force information out of people. At least I'm being honest about my reason for voting, and I can change my vote before the deadline if necessary.

I never took it as an offense. I even added a smiley to lighten the mood It was just my way of saying that not everyone in here (myself included) enjoy English as a first language.

Anywaaaaay, I'm not saying that you ARE scummy, I'm trying to help out a new guy. Thing is, scum will pound on whatever if they are cornered. Therefore, my advice is for you to argue why you are voting for dakky beyond that others are doing it. Am I to understand the quoted post as you wanting information from a claim?

FP'ed by KJ

[Skoffin]

No... dakky is the popular one at the moment. FOS @ Mitch.

Do we take that as a sign of mitch defending dakky for some reason?

Do you dare tell jokes here? Who do you think you are?

[Ragian]

No... dakky is the popular one at the moment. FOS @ Mitch.

Do we take that as a sign of mitch defending dakky for some reason?

I don't. Just mitch saying that he'd prefer one of the two others he mentioned. If it's a defence, it's indirect and clever. The fos is weird, but does suit the fosser.

[Ragian]

I prefer MM over dakky too.

@Skoffin, last game dakky was cult. Wouldn't you want him to change from that game? Or are you saying that your general dakky-feel (if that's a thing) is rubbing you the wrong way (this might be getting too graphic)?

[Kamikaze Jawa]

Anywaaaaay, I'm not saying that you ARE scummy, I'm trying to help out a new guy. Thing is, scum will pound on whatever if they are cornered. Therefore, my advice is for you to argue why you are voting for dakky beyond that others are doing it. Am I to understand the quoted post as you wanting information from a claim?

FP'ed by KJ

Eh as I said, practically every post I've made has been accused of being scummy (or for being too quiet) so I'm just going to try and be active and contribute regardless of how I sound.

And yes, my vote for dakky is purely to try to apply pressure to get information or a claim. He seemed to kind of fly under the radar on Day 1, posting just enough to be seen, and his last post can be seen as scummy as well.

My comment about mitch was a joke Not at all serious, unless it does turn out that dakky is scum :p

[Pikanchion]

You have now joined a bandwagon, and you are basically saying that it's because others are on the case. Do you not feel the case yourself? If not, I'd advise you not to join a bandwagon as it is considered very scummy.

At this point, every post I make gets accused of being scummy for one reason or another, so I'm in a damned if I do and damned if I don't situation. My opinion is the same as it was Day 1, that all of you have been pointing suspicion on each other for no reason other than because you know each others playstyle from previous games. Since we have no new information on Day 2, we're not much better off. And as several people said on Day 1 mass votes might force information out of people. At least I'm being honest about my reason for voting, and I can change my vote before the deadline if necessary.

Have you considered that the same single criticism can be levelled against every one of your posts that you've been called scummy over so far, and that this is why said accusations are made each time you make such a post? Let's have a quick look at when you joined the game:

Greetings! As Lord Voldemort stated, I am replacing your absentee. If you'll allow me to say, I am brand new so I apologise in advance for any stupid noobiness but shall try my best.

I have read through the entire thread but at this point I don't feel able to confidently pick up any scum tells so for now I shall vote no lynch.

Here you joined, more or less said that you have no opinions of your own and that is largely why you were called out:

Joining, immediately saying you have no input whatsoever on the previous 6 or 7 pages of discussion, joining what is currently the closest thing we've had to a bandwagon, and that thing being the No Lynch train is probably the scummiest thing I've seen anybody do this game so far.

There was 235 posts to read, and most of you are basing your suspicions because you know each other and your playstyles from other games. I also thought 'Well I've joined more than a week after they've started, there's no clear tells so I'll just hurry up and vote to help move the game along'. Which in hindsight is silly because Lord Voldey said there'd be 72 hours notice of the end of the day so I'll unvote no lynch and keep my eyes peeled for any better tells.

The post you made in response to mine where you say you were suspicious of me did not (while I disagreed with it) receive any push back from anybody that I can recall because you gave your opinion and stated your reasoning behind that opinion:

but you have to have some thoughts about something that's happened so far

True. If you want my honest thoughts, my suspicion has been largely you. Rolefishing, claiming to have a secret that you may or may not share (perhaps in order to keep townies from wanting to kill you before we find out this information), aggressively pursuing others to perhaps keep suspicion from yourself. But that is just as easily attributed to an aggressive playstyle of a paranoid townie.

Now you're being called out again for scummy posts, why? -Because you gave no opinion or reasoning of your own, merely happy to blindly follow the herd, just as with your first post:

Night 1 bringed no new info. We're practically in D1 still. No lynch will not get us anywhere, so I think people should say what they did overnight, and that may clear up this confusion while exposing scum in the same time.

Can I vote dakky for the use of 'bringed'? :p Kidding but I am placing my vote on him currently. I have no real reasons other than he appears to have rubbed several the wrong way, and applying pressure to someone at this point seems to be the best way to get some information.

The worst part about this more recent scummy post is you could have just written almost exactly what you said about me in your earlier post and it would have made sense, but you didn't, you said you were just doing it because other people were. This is more a case of damned if you don't, damned if you continue not to, than it is damned if you do. =P


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Wow what a lucky night for us especially Thort, Dakky asking about actions does sound scummy but I think he might be on to something. Do we start all over with new suspects or should we be like Rags and stick to our D1 favorites and push them harder? I was suspicious of Thort until he was proven town and then Ifollowed Skoffin lead on Hot Shot but basically the vote was split and time ran out so there was not much pressure put on the suspects we had,right now I am thinking either MM or HS ,they seemed to be the popular ones at the moment

No... dakky is the popular one at the moment. FOS @ Mitch.

What about this post makes you suspicious of madmitch precisely?

[Thorthoth]

Responding to Pika's previous thread.

Mitch is suspicious for bringing up the old dead-in-the-water MM & HS lynch attempts while ignoring the rising heat coming off Dakky's scumminess. It looked like a classic misdirect to me.

& leave Jawa alone. I remember what it was like to be noob Mafia player and you're being too hard on him.

Pika, even though we are currently on the same micro-bandwagon, I'm still wrestling with your own vibe-scumesque. You just keep prioritizing the wrong things, imo.

btw, why does your post count still say '0'?

[Kamikaze Jawa]

Here you joined, more or less said that you have no opinions of your own and that is largely why you were called out

And as I have repeatedly stated, all of you have based your suspicions almost exclusively around knowing each other from previous games, and when I have been 'too quiet', I've been called out for not sharing an opinion. But when all the posts are based around you guys finger pointing from old games, there's not much I can say to that so I end up forced into posting for the sake of posting which just makes me look worse.

[Kamikaze Jawa]

Mitch is suspicious for bringing up the old dead-in-the-water MM & HS lynch attempts while ignoring the rising heat coming off Dakky's scumminess. It looked like a classic misdirect to me.

My comment about mitch defending dakky was a joke, but I did see Thor's reason for being suspicious. I'm not sure why Pika somehow didn't get that.

[DirtyDishSoap]

btw, why does your post count still say '0'?

Posts don't get counted in this thread, but they do count if you search it under a players tab. Not that it really helps anyways.

@Pika/Kami
Feel like this is an attempt to pressure the new guy regardless of what he does. I don't think it's really warranted. Yeah, he has no opinion, but that's not really alignment indicative. Atm, there's better candidates to pursue other than Kami, imo.

FP'ed

[Ragian]

Agree with DDS (yikes). Stop beating a dead horse, Pika

Now, KJ has clearly stated that (s)he is pressuring dakky for information or a claim. I am content like a Shakespearian Jew.

And no, Mitch isn't scummy at all for wanting someone else besides Dakky (not directed at KJ, but at Lhor).

@DDS, so what did you do this night?

[DirtyDishSoap]

Agree with DDS (yikes). Stop beating a dead horse, Pika

Now, KJ has clearly stated that (s)he is pressuring dakky for information or a claim. I am content like a Shakespearian Jew.

And no, Mitch isn't scummy at all for wanting someone else besides Dakky (not directed at KJ, but at Lhor).

@DDS, so what did you do this night?

Yikes? Excuse me, SIR!

Yeah, I'm not going to reveal or claim anything, get outta here with that nonsense Rag.

[Pikanchion]

@Pika/Kami
Feel like this is an attempt to pressure the new guy regardless of what he does. I don't think it's really warranted. Yeah, he has no opinion, but that's not really alignment indicative. Atm, there's better candidates to pursue other than Kami, imo.

That's precisely the problem though, if somebody never posts anything alignment indicative then how is anybody meant to figure out what side they're on? I have never so much as even FOS'd Kamikaze Jawa, only explained how their posts are (at best) not helpful to town, even offering an example of when they made a post that was better in this regard and pointing out that making more posts in a similar manner would be an improvement. How is somebody to improve if nobody points out what's wrong? You'll notice my vote is still very much on dakky21 after all...

Here you joined, more or less said that you have no opinions of your own and that is largely why you were called out

And as I have repeatedly stated, all of you have based your suspicions almost exclusively around knowing each other from previous games, and when I have been 'too quiet', I've been called out for not sharing an opinion. But when all the posts are based around you guys finger pointing from old games, there's not much I can say to that so I end up forced into posting for the sake of posting which just makes me look worse.

Sure this is the case for some players but not all of us; I can think of only two instances during this game where metagaming really influenced any of what I did: the first being mainly to avoid a lengthy and ultimately fruitless discussion that would otherwise have to be slogged through at the beginning of literally every single game myself and DirtyDishSoap both played, and the second being more or less a joke. Just say what you think, but give reasons.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Sure, constructed criticism is fine, but the argument is faulty. You have Flores and Hotshot who's participation is at best, low. You have Thor being Thor and Mitch being Mitch. The issue you're having is that you don't know the player and can't have an opinion about him because he's new, whereas, by now, you're use to the latter.

Point is, let it unfold and see where it goes. Not saying you shouldn't look at him if something does seem off, but him not forming an opinion compared to half the player pool already just feels singular.

I forgot to add this:
FOS Ragian for fishing a claim.

[Kamikaze Jawa]

I have never so much as even FOS'd Kamikaze Jawa

Not specifically, but it's pretty clear I'm at least on your list for future.

As for dakky, I gave my reason. We need information to work out a realistic candidate, and without any real evidence pressure is the only way. So I'm applying pressure.

Speaking of, are we ever going to find out your mysterious information from Day 1? Or is that still 'too sensitive'?

[Ragian]

I wasn't fishing a claim, you poolicker You are a die hard D1 no lyncher. Show me the magic.

[Kamikaze Jawa]

The issue you're having is that you don't know the player and can't have an opinion about him because he's new, whereas, by now, you're use to the latter.

^ this is kind of how it feels to me, in regards to metagaming. I have the problem of not knowing any of you to form opinions based on playstyle, and you don't know me so you also can't form an opinion based on playstyle.