The Hobbit Mafia [Town win]

[Kamikaze Jawa]

@ Thort skim much?? already voted for Dakky, and wanting to be MVP is just plain scummy, there is something not right about you ? maybe Dakky is right and you started of as an innocent child but turned into something else like 3rd party, hell I don't know ? I just don't like your attitude in this game.

Wanting to win MVP is an ego thing, it really has little to nothing to do with being scummy in the game. I'm really not sure why you and dakky are still hell bent on believing that this is a bastard game and that Thor is somehow scum/3rd party after he was confirmed town. I'd be kinda disappointed if the mod outright lied to us.

By all means, dislike his attitude. I understand why people are getting annoyed with him. But he's been confirmed town, the majority of us have accepted it. I'm not sure why you two haven't.

Besides I know, I'll never win it no matter how much I contribute or how well I paly... Irrationally hating me seems to bring everybody together.
I mean look at how much lynch-theat I have to put up even when I'm mod-confirmed as town... and then think about what I have to deal with the rest of the time.

As Raigan said, I think you need to take a look in the mirror. I don't mean this unkindly, but I can see why some people are getting a little annoyed. I think it's gone over the top at this point on both sides and that everyone needs to try and relax.

[Ragian]

Amen, brother.

[Pikanchion]

dammit I forgot again I wanted to ask that, but @pika, is you question answered with the modkill?

It is not, but that is a good thing (sort of...)

dakky21 before somebody hammers you, what is your character's name?

[Ragian]

Hasn't he answered that already? Can't be arsed to look, but I feel like I've read that ealier in the game because people then mused about his dwarf being insignificant. (Which is funny when you think og Bilbo as an even day commuter only, but I guess that makes flavour sense if he puts on the ring, I just don't see it as a very valuable power. Maybe I'm bad at using it.)

[MudPuppy]

Vote HotShot as he continues not to participate. Not really sure why he fell off folks' radar but he's the best candidate in my eyes and am hoping we can restart some pressure on him.

I'm not going to try to defend dakky's odd play this game as I'm not a fan of it... while his play doesn't make a lot of sense for a townie, it makes even less sense as scum. Reasons why I think dakky is town:

• His claim makes sense - while I would not have initially thought that a vengeful townie would be in the game, the LOTR Wiki describes Dori as "a decent fellow, despite his grumbling." Basically, I think it's a role that fits this game and Dori's character... at least better than that as a fake claim.
• No counter-claim. While it is certainly possible/probable that scum were given roles they could use as fake claims, that is not certain. While the lack of a counter-claim isn't much on its own, it certainly would have been a lucky guess for Smaug to have picked an unassigned dwarf in this game (not saying there can't be evil dwarfs).
• If he wanted to scare folks from voting him, he could have just claimed that his role states he has ability to kill one of his lynchers... Instead, he claims that his role states he can kill anyone but verbally expressed he would take out a lyncher in hopes of dissuading the noose... He did say that AFTER he initially said he agreed that he should be lynched today... but I'm not sure if that is scummy or if he was just trying to get info from folks about who they would prefer he shoot.
• Most of all, it just makes little sense to me that scum would put themselves out there like that and sacrifice themselves just so they have one extra shot at a townie. From a numbers standpoint, it's a losing proposition and scum would be much better off just staying quiet and laying low (e.g., HotShot) or trying to blend in and just take out the extra townie if/when people got suspicious despite those attempts... but I can't wrap my head around scum trying to purposefully be scummy as some sort of ploy to convince folks they are really town.

[Minister Masket]

Vote HotShot as he continues not to participate. Not really sure why he fell off folks' radar but he's the best candidate in my eyes and am hoping we can restart some pressure on him.

He didn't really fall off the radar. People just got swamped with the dakky/thor debate.
It does look like scumarining behaviour though as I mentioned earlier, so I'm fully in agreement with this.

I can't see dakky being lynched now anyway cause if he's telling the truth, surely the person who hammers is aware they'll likely be on the receiving end of his kill.

[Thorthoth]

Minister, your ignoring-skimming-misinterpreting the 'dakky lynch is way scummy.

Also calling it the ''dakky/thor debate'' is scummy. FOS @ Minister Masket.

If dakky is town he isn't going to necessarily waste it on the final person to hammer him.
If he's scum, he'll either try to either take out known town (me...) or maybe take a guess at hitting a power role (not me).
If he's town, he'll go for the likeliest scum, which isn't necessarily the hammerer by any means.

[HotShot53]

Vote HotShot as he continues not to participate. Not really sure why he fell off folks' radar but he's the best candidate in my eyes and am hoping we can restart some pressure on him.

I've been participating as much as anyone else, I've made my opinions on dakky and other cases known... I think dakky is scum and should be lynched. I'm not sure what else to say at this point.

[dakky21]

Look folks, it is obvious that no one will hammer me, I'm at L-1, so just a hammer is needed. But since all of you are afraid to hammer me AND I won't hammer myself (what good would that bring since I can kill anyone?) maybe it's time to look at other players, or just hammer me and get this over. I don't know what else to say, I said everything...

We should either move on to another target or bandwagon or case, however you put it, or risk another night where I will be killed most likely.

[Thorthoth]

dakky is right. This is pathetic that nobody will hammer him. Absolutely pathetic. One of you seven abstainers better step up to the plate.

Vote Count 2.4.2

Dakky21 (7): Thorthoth, FloresDelMal, Kamikaze Jawa, Hotshot53, madmitch, DirtyDishSoap, BuJaber,
Madmitch (2): dakky21, ZaBeast
MudPuppy (1): skoffin
Hotshot53 (2): Minister Masket, Mudpuppy
DirtyDishSoap (1): Pikanchion

Not Voting (2): Samlen, Ragian,

[ZaBeast]

TBH, it's a thight choice between dakky and mitch. I am totally fine with hammering if no one does it soonish before the deadline, but for now I will stick with mitch.

Hey, I said I would. It seems you people didn't read my post . I just wanted to let it settle, to give people the time to shime in. Now we're nearly 24 h before the deadline, and I think we need info from a lynch. And the only lynch I see happening is dakky's. He's been acting very scummy and his vengeful claim makes him a good choice for a lynch (re: the whole pika argument)
Possibilities:
- Dakky is a scum-sided bomb: Ginormous (gigantic+enormous) FOS mitch for knowing it beforehand
- Dakky is scum-sided (including as a bomb): FOS Sam and Mudpuppy for finding me suspicious with my question to KJ (with which, as I stated already, I wasn't trying to get a claim), but not reacting whatsoever to dakky's role fishing. Ragian is also guilty of this, but he's been consistent with his MM vote, so I feel it makes sense for him to not have voted dakky. Mudpuppy defending dakky may make him more townish (which scum in his right mind would advocate against the lynch of a fellow scummate that's likely to get killed? But maybe that's exactly what he wants us to think...)
- Dakky is a town-sided vengeful role: RIP dakky, hopefully we'll get info from the one you will chose to kill.
Unvote Vote dakky21
Here are the targets I would get behind if dakky choses to not kill me (point 1, MM and HS has been slightly edited)

People who I consider good choices for a potential shot from dakky
- (slightly edited) MM: minimal activity (especially MM), and they both had BWs going against them on D1, so it could give us info; same for HS, but to a lesser extent after his inactivity in the middle of D1.
- mitch: not as eager after he soft-claimed, as he soft-claimed a power role, but still looks very scummy to me
- recent FOS to MudPuppy:

For the hesitant/cautious lot.. if y'all want to wait for IP's replacement we will wait. But if a deadline is announced I expect a lynch. We have enough good suspects that we can manage this. Any delays then would look very scummy.

I, as a member of the hesitant/cautious lot, am on board with this approach. I prefer to wait for a replacement to join but also don't want to see another no-lynch day.

I suggest you don't shoot Thor. Pretty fine with whoever you think best after that. Not sure I understand who your groups are or why you group them in that fashion... but whatever floats your boat. If you think random is best, then go for it. Whatever you choose, we'd get some good information.

I don't see how you can advocate caution, then say on your next post you're on board with dakky killing at random.

[ZaBeast]

Now it's up to dakky, if vengefull scum, to decide whether I feel confident hammering him because I would be vanilla or with not much of a power role, or if that's what I want him and the rest of the scum team to believe .
And if vengeful town, to decide which one is the most likely scum from the rest (read everybody except him) of the town. Hopefully not taking a power role with him.

[Ragian]

Look folks, it is obvious that no one will hammer me, I'm at L-1, so just a hammer is needed. But since all of you are afraid to hammer me AND I won't hammer myself (what good would that bring since I can kill anyone?) maybe it's time to look at other players, or just hammer me and get this over. I don't know what else to say, I said everything...

We should either move on to another target or bandwagon or case, however you put it, or risk another night where I will be killed most likely.

You haven't really said everything. You haven't pointed to whom you'd go for if telling the truth, so that that player could claim for instance.

[ZaBeast]

Maybe I should have waited more. I just didn't wanted a repeat of D1 with no lynch.
Though saying who he would kill could either be seen as a ploy from scummy dakky to fish for power roles or a genuine attempt from towny dakky to not kill a power role, so whether you should have revealed after he says he's going for you would really depend on your opininon on him.
And I mean, I feel he has been acting scummier and scummier as the day was going by (first the role fishing, then the vote on thor, then the fearmongering (kill me and I'll kill you), the inconsistency regarding how his role worked, the lack of explanations about his behaviour in the beginning of the day, and finally it seems he's been skimming for a few pages since he didn't notice we did talk about who we wanted to kill if he was who he claimed to be.)

[DirtyDishSoap]

Of all the people who are not voting Dakky, or have not switched in time...Pika? FOS

[Skoffin]

Since dakky is lynched let's put forward our preferd lynchd candidates eh; I stil am cool with mitch, or hotsht.

yah it's kinda weirds that pika dint vote for dakky again when he was all forr it all day.

[Ragian]

I think MM should be wasted. I can't understand anyone picking hotshot over MM. That's just weird.

[BuJaber]

Fine.. again... in the off-chance dakky isn't lying: take down mitch, or mudpuppy.

BTW ZB, MP defending dakky is very scummy. Maybe I have blinders on.. but come on.. waiting until L-1 to 'defend' dakky. This is either scum who knows their scum buddy is about to die and he's trying to look like a confused town. Or scum who knows that dakky will flip town and thus wants to act like he's the town voice of reason.

Yes, this is just a possibility, but coupled with some earlier offences I've mentioned... scummy. Anyway let's see what the lynch/night gives us.

[MudPuppy]

Hammering dakky is definitely better than a no lynch as we'll at least get some info... but I'm concerned we'll wake up with 4 townies dead after just one lynch.

[MudPuppy]

BTW ZB, MP defending dakky is very scummy. Maybe I have blinders on.. but come on.. waiting until L-1 to 'defend' dakky. This is either scum who knows their scum buddy is about to die and he's trying to look like a confused town. Or scum who knows that dakky will flip town and thus wants to act like he's the town voice of reason.

You're absolutely right... you have blinders on. I've been saying I leaned town on dakky since he claimed a week ago... I was holding my vote 'til LV replaced or mod killed Bilbo so we'd have more info to base a vote on rather than jumping on dakky from start of the day even though it would be insane (or just extremely ballsy) for a scum dakky to play as he has.

[lord voldemort]

Vote Count 2.5


Dakky21 (8): Thorthoth, FloresDelMal, Kamikaze Jawa, Hotshot53, madmitch, DirtyDishSoap, BuJaber, ZaBeast
Madmitch (1): dakky21
MudPuppy (1): skoffin
Hotshot53 (1): Minister Masket, MudPuppy
DirtyDishSoap (1): Pikanchion

Not Voting (2): Samlen, Ragian,

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. And that is a lynch of Dakky21.

[dakky21]

Well, I was lying about one thing, but didn't about the other. Good game town

[Ragian]

[Thorthoth]

gg dakky,
& if you are lying about one thing, it must be the town, not the venge...
So this may be curtains for me, but if so, I went out on a good move, imo.

[ZaBeast]

Thor, stop thinking/saying you're the player the scum team want to out the most, it's geting tiresome, and I don't think it's true.