INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[Ragian]

Exactly what night contradictions am I guilty of?

You claim to have gone for, and located, your favourite food two nights in a row and yet none of the mod-described results ensued.

I can't be held accountable for the mod's actions.

So I am scum for voting you too quickly when the mod's word and yours conflict?

You're scum for your vote, yes. My words and the mod's words don't conflict. Any discrepancy is between the mod's first post and the mod's PM to me that I paraphrased. I have nothing to do with either.

[ZaBeast]

Exactly what night contradictions am I guilty of?

You claim to have gone for, and located, your favourite food two nights in a row and yet none of the mod-described results ensued.

The main reason I don't see it as scummy is Ragian had no reason to lie about that.

If he had a night action and said he went out for food without looking like a fool/getting it/dying I would probably vote him based on him trying to avoid faking night action results. However in this case he had nothing to win by claiming he went for his favorite food as his ability is a passive one. He could have just said he sent no action either night since his ability is a passive one and nobody would have seen it as weird. He had literally nothing to win by saying he went for his favorite food, so I believe him when he said he did.

[dakky21]

This is why I think I'm going to vote dakky. He is highly discouraging visitors even though he also claims that he would get some kind of information on those who visit. Why wouldn't you want to be visited? It would be GREAT if scum visited you as a townie. If it's a waste of a night action and you get information. It doesn't make sense.

I think we need to lynch today and I think dakky's actions haven't made sense.

You're the one actually skimming. I said I can either hide and therefore be a commuter (no one can find me at night for any action including kill) OR I can ambush an therefore find out who visited me, but then I can be killed if targeted by scum. Notice the OR separator.

[blacky365]

Thanks Chap,

I reread the Standard Mafia Rules and see where you cautioned against cutting and pasting.

However, when I reread things to note, I found this:

The only info from us you are allowed to use in this thread is the Role PM and any night action results

.

Based on that, couldn't Blacky Cut and Paste what happened to him N1?

I have not said that the reason I wont reveal this info is due to the rules of the game.
I wont reveal for now because it will add nothing to the discussion.

I am not one to offer free info just because you ask 5 times...

[Skoffin]

I wouldn't put too much weight into ragoo's claim possibly contradicting mod rules. There have already been mistakes in the game and I wouldn't be surprised if there are more, and for that reason I feel it would be unfair to rely on those rules just to convict ragoo.

I'm willing to vote either pika or dakky today, everyone needs to hurry up and make a decision.


Something else to ponder - usually by now people start putting forth connections between players and noting strong links of who may be scum together. That is mostly absent this game, and even those who are suggesting patterns between players don't seem to be strongly holding onto it. I can't see much in the way of patterns here myself, and it's pretty unusual. I think this lends credibility to the theory that there are two or more teams instead of one mafia team. 2 mafia teams of 3 would make sense, though it would be hilarious if there were 3 mafia teams of 2. Who fucking knows at this point.

But enough of that speculation, pika or dakky people.

[blacky365]

I wouldn't put too much weight into ragoo's claim possibly contradicting mod rules. There have already been mistakes in the game and I wouldn't be surprised if there are more, and for that reason I feel it would be unfair to rely on those rules just to convict ragoo.

I'm willing to vote either pika or dakky today, everyone needs to hurry up and make a decision.


Something else to ponder - usually by now people start putting forth connections between players and noting strong links of who may be scum together. That is mostly absent this game, and even those who are suggesting patterns between players don't seem to be strongly holding onto it. I can't see much in the way of patterns here myself, and it's pretty unusual. I think this lends credibility to the theory that there are two or more teams instead of one mafia team. 2 mafia teams of 3 would make sense, though it would be hilarious if there were 3 mafia teams of 2. Who fucking knows at this point.

But enough of that speculation, pika or dakky people.

I think its too late for speculation at this time... according to Razors timeline, we have about 3 and a half hours till night. Dakky is at L-1 so there is a chance he will get lynched but i doubt there is enough time to lynch pika.

[Ragian]

I'm not convinced that dakky is scum. To me, he plays to his MO when town. I think, however, that Pika's vote is a scumtell. The vote was too quick. Then, after the explanation, Pika is holding on to his vote based on some fluff that is on the mod's hands. It reeks.

[BuJaber]

Like I said before, Ragian can be telling the truth and it still wouldn't contradict the mod's words.

Why are we still talking about that?

FP'd by Ragian - nah dakky is scum. Even his list of suspects should tell you that.

[aage]

I wanna request an extension of an hour or two so I can at least get a decent post in before the day ends.

[BuJaber]

Sorry not sorry. I'm not going to treat dakky like a newbie. He's way better at the game than that.

If he cannot read people in a way that is objective instead of just scumreading anyone who says something bad about him, that's scummy.

If he doesn't realize that his claiming is incredibly suspicious, that's scummy.

If he doesn't realize that wild theories about no scum in the game does not help town, that's scummy.

Please don't insult his intelligence. His play is bad for town because he's scum, not because he himself is bad town.

[aage]

Sorry not sorry. I'm not going to treat dakky like a newbie. He's way better at the game than that.

If he cannot read people in a way that is objective instead of just scumreading anyone who says something bad about him, that's scummy.

If he doesn't realize that his claiming is incredibly suspicious, that's scummy.

If he doesn't realize that wild theories about no scum in the game does not help town, that's scummy.

Please don't insult his intelligence. His play is bad for town because he's scum, not because he himself is bad town.

I was gonna say this in a larger post as well. Dakky has played this game for years. We should assume that he is scummy, not stupid.

[dakky21]

Assume it however you wish, I told you my role and fully claimed. Can't add anything. May be stupid that I tried to counter jfm when he said he will protect himself each night and therefore be bulletproof, but that's what happened. Skoffin saying that my role is too similar to hers looks to me either: repeating what I did with jfm or just copying my case because she is scum and knows that I am town.

[Pikanchion]

Fine, worst case we lose a weak (power-wise) townie who refuses to perform any action which isn't direct self-preservation.

Unvote: Ragian
Vote: dakky21

[dakky21]

I guess thats a lynch, well... gg and good luck town.

[aage]

I was gonna post yesterday but something came up. I apologise for not posting much this game day. Honestly I'm not really enjoying the game, a shitload of posts are being spent discussion absolutely nothing or nothing of value and I have to wade through the shit to get to serious discussion which just isn't really there. I'm not trying to insult anyone, this is just what happens in nonstandard games with a large amount of newish players. It just really demotivates me to post because I know that (a) it's mostly gonna be ignored and (b) the talk will derail after three posts again and we're back to five pages of nonsense.

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1 blacky365
Getting a scummier read on this guy as the day drags on. He's the second vote on Dakky which throws me off, but that could just be noise. He also says he didn't target Ragian N1, but says he was poisoned anyway. Tob was busy redirecting Mets by his own claim earlier, but blacky and Ragian said something about bumping into each other.
Most of what's coming out of his mouth is random speculation.

2 dakky21
Claims commuter with an investigative role tied on, but refuses to use that because he doesn't wanna die...
Let's put on our tin foil hats for a moment and assume Dakky is scum. Why would he claim this? My suspicion is that he has a scum role that's immune to either some or all night actions. Godfather comes to mind, that scum role is often given immunity to night kills and investigation. He claims it because he wants to preempt an investigator or vigilante targeting him and coming up empty, which could arouse suspicion.
Now let's take off our hats and assume Dakky is telling the truth. Why would he claim this? I haven't the faintest idea. He says he doesn't want to waste town actions, but a vig shot towards him wouldn't kill a townie. An investigation towards him would yield no result but he'd be able to use the second part of his role to both prove his other ability and allow himself to be seen by an investigator. Any scum players would know he is probably telling the truth (since he is not on their team) and therefore would never waste their actions on a claimed commuter, so a "wasted" doc action on the commuter wouldn't matter if scum didn't know he was a commuter. So by claiming his role he has defeated the purpose of his role. I prefer to think people are scummy rather than stupid, especially people who have played mafia a lot like Dakky. Vote stays and we should lynch him.

It also surprises me that our resident marine biologist hasn't piped up about his claim. A two second google search will tell you that stingrays are related to sharks.

3 Tobikera
Claims town redirector. Firstly, this doesn't strike me as a town role, I believe I already mentioned that before.

4 jfm10
Still isn't listed as dead in the OP, Raz.

5 strike wolf
Claims to be the town doc, hasn't been counterclaimed. I think it's reasonably safe to assume Strike isn't scum.

6 ZaBeast
Need to look deeper into his posts to get a good read. I didn't do these in order, and I really need to get this post out before Raz shuts me up.

7 Skoffin
I think Skoff is suffering from the same problems I am. Based on that I should read her as town. There's just something nagging me, her play is very erratic. She's driving very aggressive wagons on people but doesn't really post a lot. Her counterclaim was pretty clumsy and piecemeal imo. Also happy to lynch Pika if we lynch Dakky (the person she counterclaimed) the next day, which is scummy imo.

8 Pikanchion
Plays the game very similarly to Mets. Skoffin mentioned earlier that he avoids giving actual reasons, I don't think that's entirely true but he seems to avoid voting. I'll have to look back and read all of his posts to get a good idea of what Skoffin is referring to, I had the impression he was contributing rather well to the debate.

9 BuJaber
I already said before I have a strong town read on BuJ. Someone asked why, I think I should explain slightly. I used a night action that gave me very conclusive evidence that BuJ is town. I'm not gonna claim my role or what information I received, but if I die during the night you should all know that BuJ is town.

10 chapcrap
My suspicion of him has significantly decreased over the past week, because there are far scummier people to talk about.

11 TX AG 90
Correct me if I'm wrong, but TX and Sirius are both the most active peddlers of crackpot setup theories whilst touting their own noobishness as an excuse, right?

12 Ragian
Passive poisoner "Town Psychopath" claim. I don't know what to do with this one. We all know he's the poisoner now so he can't really do much harm in that way. I think we will have to lynch him at some point before LyLo because the odds of third party are just dangerous. It also wouldn't surprise me if he turned into some sort of predator if he found his food. Not a priority right now though. His sudden attack on Pika after his OMGUS vote is quite scummy imo, the day is ending and he's suddenly scrounging for reasons to lynch Pika.

13 pershy - LYNCHED Day 1

14 aage

15 Sirius Kase
Correct me if I'm wrong, but TX and Sirius are both the most active peddlers of crackpot setup theories whilst touting their own noobishness as an excuse, right?
Sirius is the biggest offender in that last category, it's great and all when people want to learn but playing the game would be better.

16 Metsfanmax
Very eloquent in his own defense. He still has managed to stay alive without claiming, nicely done. What I take away most from his posts is that he tries to establish himself very much as a town authority but doesn't drive anything. He has commented that he believes the Dakky wagon is a mislynch, but isn't offering much in the way of alternatives other than his No Lynch vote. I've no idea why he thinks that night actions are going to be helpful.
He's not contributing anything meaningful to the discussion and is scummy in his own right. I will leave the decision on whether he should be killed in Strike's capable hands.

Let's look at who is actually on the Dakky wagon.
BuJ, Blacky, aage, Sirius, Skoffin, SW, chap

I have doubts about chap and Skoffin to some extent, but I think this is for the most part a town-driven wagon. BuJ instigated it very early in the day and its traction has been very slow going. I consider this a good sign. No opportunistic scum latching on early to drive an easy mislynch means this likely isn't a mislynch. Most significantly, Ragian, Tobi and Mets aren't on this wagon, all three of which have been pegged as scummy.

If Dakky does flip town, maybe the scum are worried about BuJ or my town cred and therefore don't jump on, but I believe if he was town this day wouldn't have gone to deadline, he would've been piled on.

24 hours before the deadline, however, Ragian in his undying OMGUS-wisdom decides that Pika (who has no votes on him) is the way to go now and actively tries to peel votes off the Dakky wagon to go for Pika. TX is quick to join on Pika. Dakky's flip will be very useful indeed.



Might post more if the mod hasn't ended the day yet.

[Razorvich]

Thats a lynch... scene coming

[Razorvich]

Town folk are confused... It is obvious now that the swordfish, and some others were poisoned.. but by who?

Previous interrogations have revealed nothing, the guilty party must be well entrenched amongst us.. but they must travel
Town are eager to hear from the town spy that can remain undetected.. has he been corrupted?
Dakky, the one who lies in wait, silent and camouflaged.. happy in his own world... He must have seen something!!
Town once again rally

TELL US !! Who did you see?.. Who was it that passed you these last few nights? TELL US NOW !!
We know you can investigate prey WHO WAS IT ??

As usual the interrogation turns violent as Dakky pleads his ignorance

TOWN HERMIT HAS BEEN LYNCHED

Title: Town Hermit
Night Action Role: Ambusher

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It is the calm before the storm.. the night shadows have not appeared

It is now NIGHT 3

Send in your night actions by replying to your role PMs.

You also have the option to waive your night action and go for your favorite food .. (may random.org be your friend)
Remain undiscovered and your night actions will succeed... become detected, and all hell may break loose

Those who already know their BONUS action, will still have to get that food to activate it
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You have 48 hours to lodge your night actions
Good luck to all those who choose to travel tonight, the lack of shadows is concerning

[Razorvich]

The storm arrives early morning before sunrise, leaving plenty of time for the town folk to venture out during the night.
Some noted 2 lines of bubbles directed upwards towards the surface, only for an instant, before they disappear in the violent seas.

Day beaks to reveal that people are missing. At the bottom the reef, with a weird look of shock on his face lies the body of Aage.

TOWN NECROMANCER HAS BEEN NIGHT KILLED

Title: Town Necromancer

Common Species Name: Blue Manna Crab
Night Action Role: Grave Robber

The body of Metsfannmax lies not too far away, his body twisted and contorted just like the Sailfish.

TOWN KIDNAPPER DIES FROM POISONING

Title: Town Kidnapper

Common Species Name: Electric Eel
Night Action Role: Silencer

DAY 4 BEGINS

With 11 alive, it takes 6 for a lynch

NOTE:
Those who have discovered their BONUS NIGHT ACTION , you can only wield that power once you have successfully gone for your favorite food during a night.

[Ragian]

Two deaths. One scum kill. Did you let mets die, SW? I successfully went for my favourite food FYI. Third's a charm.

[BuJaber]

There is an active poisoner.
I did not target ragian.
I assume I did not get redirected. (Didn't get any of the flavor and I doubt Tobi redirected me again based on what he said day 3).

And YET I got poisoned.

And I refuse to believe the active poisoner can be town.

So don't believe any claims.

[blacky365]

WTF is going on here... my night action was unsuccessful so i am as clueless today as i was yesterday and with these two night deaths my original thoughts have gone.

My thoughts when dakky flipped town were that we have to lynch skof next... what was that claim on a claim all about?

[Tobikera]

I have to believe that my misdirection caused one of those deaths, probably Aage. Of course, I falsely thought that my misdirection on N1 caused blacky to be poisoned by Metsfanmax. My action was successful N3. I am waiting for the player that I misdirected to fess up, i.e. admit they were misdirected. If he/she does not, can we assume they are scum? Of course, we need more info about what the misdirected action was followed by a confirmation from the person acted upon. Otherwise.....

Another thought, since Metsfanmax said he was poisoned and because strike wolf did not detoxify him, can we conclude that strike wolf is scum? And, if he is scum, then blacky must be scum as well, because he claimed to be detoxified by strike wolf?? Or, do I remember events wrong?? Just throwing all that out there for discussion. It's 5 AM here and I've been sluggishly awake since 3 AM, so the old bean is a bit clouded.

[Tobikera]

Correct BuJaber, I did not misdirect you.

Gotta love the mod's characters....Town Necromancer and Town Kidnapper....kudos.

[Skoffin]

Those town roles titles don't seem to entirely match the role action, no wonder everyone is confused

I would assume that strike did not heal mets last night because mets was the most likely next lynch target, it's perfectly reasonable that he would spare us the waste of a lynch. Extremely doubt that Strike is scum
in civ game right now back later bb

[Tobikera]

Those town roles titles don't seem to entirely match the role action, no wonder everyone is confused

I would assume that strike did not heal mets last night because mets was the most likely next lynch target, it's perfectly reasonable that he would spare us the waste of a lynch. Extremely doubt that Strike is scum
in civ game right now back later bb

Giving SW a pass based on that logic is scummy. Why do you say Metsfanmax was the next likely lynch candidat? He had no votes on him. I certainly did not plan on voting him, just like I did not vote jfm or dakky. Pika had the second highest vote total. If SW is town and a healer, I would expect that he would heal Metsfanmax. I certainly did not misdirect SW. FOS at skoffin, SW, black, and my misdirection player for last night.