INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[Skoffin]

Mets has been on the top of everyones scum list for days, you'd have to be an utter turnip to think there was no chance that he would be a top lynch candidate for today. What are you playing at, Tobi?

[Tobikera]

Mets has been on the top of everyones scum list for days, you'd have to be an utter turnip to think there was no chance that he would be a top lynch candidate for today. What are you playing at, Tobi?

If you recall, I voted Mets first, but did not revote him after jfm was lynched. I put him in the same category with jfm and dakky, and that has proved correct. Never say "everyone" because I remember (but can't find it now) your name on someone's list (and, now mine). And, despite what you say, Mets had no votes on him. I never said there was "no chance" he couldn't be lynched (so keep your derogatory slurs to yourself), but I certainly wasn't going to vote for him. SW not healing him seems scummy to me. IF he had had 5 or 6 votes on him, then yes, wait and see what happens, but with no votes on him, no way. So, for the present, I think SW and Blacky were playing us wrong, but there's no proof either way, only suspicion.

[Tobikera]

One other point: Mets knew that he had been redirected, so the person I successfully misdirected last night should know as well. I'm not going to make the same mistake I made on D2 claiming that my target killed Aage. But, if that person is forthcoming and no other result reflects my misdirection, then that is at least one possibility.

[Ragian]

If SW thought Mets was scum, it makes sense that he didn't heal him. That doesn't make him scum. That makes him a player with a conviction on another player regardless of alignment.

I also don't see how you misdirecting anyone makes them scum if they don't fess up. If they don't have an active night action, there's no reason for the mod to tell them that they were redirected, and if they don't want to reveal their night action, it also makes sense to keep schtum.

EGMEOY Tobi.

[Tobikera]

If SW thought Mets was scum, it makes sense that he didn't heal him. That doesn't make him scum. That makes him a player with a conviction on another player regardless of alignment.

If I had been SW, and saw no votes on Metsfanmax, there's no way I would have unilaterally let him die, if I was indeed a healer, without some voting support by town. Now we have BuJaber saying he was poisoned. Will he die by neglect as well??

The only thing we have definite in this game is that pershy, jfm, and dakky have died at the hands of town. Presumably, Aage was killed by scum, and Metsfanmax, a fifth town player to die, was allowed to die by poisoning by our purported healer. By confirmation, we know I am a misdirector, which was affirmed by Mets and presumed by BuJaber. We have no confirmation on SW and blacky except by their mutual nods. Give the mod credit for consistency. If he told Mets he was redirected, then whomever I redirected last night will know as well. At least one possibility is that whomever I redirected killed Aage. It is not the only possibility. With the exception of pershy, I did not vote for jfm or dakky. Some of the rest are doing a pretty shitty job of scum-hunting, I think. Look at who voted on the three lynches. There has to be some scum in there somewhere, probably at least 2 on each lynch.

I also don't see how you misdirecting anyone makes them scum if they don't fess up. If they don't have an active night action, there's no reason for the mod to tell them that they were redirected, and if they don't want to reveal their night action, it also makes sense to keep schtum.
IF my target last night is scum and indeed killed Aage, then they probably would keep quiet about it. If they are town and weren't involved with Aage, then they should have no problem talking about it to clear their name. As indicated above, the mod told Mets he had been redirected, or at least he knew it by his outcome. Ergo, the person I redirected should know by one of those means as well. If they are innocent and keep stumm (I prefer the original German word, not the Yiddish one), then they risk getting lynched by the same folks who killed jfm and dakky.

It's getting too late in the game to keep stumm. We need to find a scum today. One more period like D3 and N3, and the game is over. We wasted at least 40 pages on BS that got three town lynched (and I contributed). I'm being open each day about what I did each night. Others need to be more forthcoming or scum will win.


EGMEOY Tobi.
Get some glasses, teach.

[Pikanchion]

I have to believe that my misdirection caused one of those deaths, probably Aage. Of course, I falsely thought that my misdirection on N1 caused blacky to be poisoned by Metsfanmax. My action was successful N3. I am waiting for the player that I misdirected to fess up, i.e. admit they were misdirected. If he/she does not, can we assume they are scum? Of course, we need more info about what the misdirected action was followed by a confirmation from the person acted upon. Otherwise.....

Another thought, since Metsfanmax said he was poisoned and because strike wolf did not detoxify him, can we conclude that strike wolf is scum? And, if he is scum, then blacky must be scum as well, because he claimed to be detoxified by strike wolf?? Or, do I remember events wrong?? Just throwing all that out there for discussion. It's 5 AM here and I've been sluggishly awake since 3 AM, so the old bean is a bit clouded.

I was misdirected last night. Pushing for me to claim and suggesting our claimed Doc may be scum in your first post of the day? I thought your attempt to get Metsfanmax lynched earlier was simply misguided but pushing the same thing again—immediately after we get confirmation of how wrong you were the first time—is just scummy.

Vote: Tobikera

[TX AG 90]

We are in real danger here of losing to scum and need to change our tactics. Trying to pick off scum one at a time won’t work. We need to identify and isolate a team. Lynch one of them and if correct, auto lynch the other the following day.

That being said, I am going to propose my selection in the next post.

On Day 3 I was accused of making wild speculation and not doing any real scum hunting. That’s because nobody else knew what I did. There was a method to my madness.

I focused a lot on these things: What jfm did and didn’t do? Were there multiple poisoners? Was there a passive poisoner? What can and can’t a Doctor do? Can Scum have a Doctor?

I focused on these topics to try and get scum to trip up and reveal themselves, at least to me.

As part of my gambit I meant to reveal everything I know Day 4 and here we are. Looking back, maybe I should have been more forthcoming on Day 3, but I had no idea things would escalate this quickly and we would lose 2 more town in one night. I thought that even accidentally, we would have lynched scum by now. Our enemy is obviously very skilled at avoiding lynches and that lead’s credence to them working tightly as a team.

What I am going to lay out in the next post is pretty complicated, but is backed up circumstantially and logically. Please feel free to poke holes in my theory, but if you come at me to discredit me, you will be painted as scum. It is impossible to paint me as scum with any kind of real evidence since I am 100% a Townie.

My fellow townies. You will have to ask yourselves if I am telling the truth or if I am the world’s greatest rookie scum. I don’t think a rookie would understand this game well enough to make this kind of sequence up.

[TX AG 90]

Where to begin. I think sequentially is best.

There were several discussions after N1 on whether there were multiple poisoners. People kept saying that if someone else was poisoned, wouldn’t they have revealed themselves and asked for help and I kept saying there are other reasons possible. I wanted people to speculate and maybe trip-up scum. I KNEW someone else was poisoned, but couldn’t reveal it at the time and here is why.

I was poisoned N1. So why, didn’t I reveal myself. Simple, I am the Town Priest and have the ability to either Protect someone during the night OR Heal them from poison.

It’s because of that OR that I had to keep quiet. If I let it be known that I was poisoned but everything is ok - I’ll just heal myself, then I become a target. And since I can’t protect myself AND heal myself in the same night action, I needed to keep quiet and heal myself N2 to make it to D3.

Now, who do I think poisoned me? I believe it was jfm and here is why:

1. He was clearly going after the “poison a member of town and get them healed” credit
2. Since he is town, he chose the player he felt may be the town’s weakest link – me, the rookie.
3. He also said the following quote when he believed he was redirected and inadvertently poisoned blacky. Zabeast is the only other player that picked up on this

Check out this post from Monday, Mar 25th at 10:38 PM (Page 35)

Obviously we need to see how he actually flips before we can make a full determination on others - after all he could still be lying about his role/team- but here is my list so far.

These are all in order from most to least in a given field

Pro-town heroes
1. Skoff
2. dakky
3. Strike - you are still a hero, but you lost a rank for the waffling my man
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Scummy

1. blacky
2. pika/aage
3. Buj/Mets
4. Serius

HAHAHA

1. Ragoo

Even heroes have a right to bleed...and make mistakes...i obviously need to shake off the rust.

Aww...I wanted to hammer JFM. unvote vote JFM

Scum reads for JFM flip

1. Mets-Its hard to believe Mets would hard defend his scumbuddy this much but it's also hard to believe he could be this dense towards all of JFM's latest bullshit to keep defending him. I didn't see the case against him day 1 but his continued play is odd to me.

Beyond that I really need to read more. Buj was right about one thing. If JFM is mafia his scum partners didn't really go far to defend him beyond possibly Mets. Aage was the only other JFM day 1 defender out from day 1 and he's other wise appeared town to me. He's also been against Mets though it's not unheard of for two experienced mafia partners to point fingers at each other

Buj defended JFM day 2 but can t recall his day 1 position without rereading. He stopped defending him late when it could have become clear that JFM's continued play made it obvious that he would be lynched but his timing with voting JFM for the policy lynch seems off if that was the case.

Skoffin still third party queen to me. Her play just feels too safe to be town but not enough deception and trying to play bad lynches for me to feel she's mafia.

I really hope that the doctor helped you blacky because you are the only confirmed townie so far.

Confirmed by who? A known liar?

To what end is your redirectional ability any good to anybody,for the townies thats what his ability is but mine rest on my victim and not my target.

Jfm believed he had inadvertently poisoned blacky. He thought the only explanation was that he was misdirected. Why would he think this? Because if I was his target and if I was poisoned, wouldn’t I say something?

for the townies thats what his ability is

- meaning he thinks I am a redirector, but we now know I am a Protector/Healer

mine rest on my victim and not my target

– He believes he poisoned blacky because I never said anything about being poisoned


So that takes us to D3.

Why didn’t I say more D3, including a counter claim of Strike Wolf. Maybe I should have. As I said in the previous post, my gambit was to try and get scum to slip D3 and then I would reveal all D4. I may have made a mistake by waiting a day too late, but we’re still alive. Remember fellow townies, if there are TWO scum teams, LyLo is further away, but we can’t make any more mistakes.

Now, for my N3 Action. I Protected myself. Why? I needed to make it to D4 to reveal all of this to my teammates. I hope I am not Night-Killed tonight, but at least the rest of you will have this info going forward.

So now, who do I propose we lynch and why:

There are two sets of partners I have identified so far. One I have strong feeling for and the other is just a gut feeling.

Because the other is just a gut feeling, I won’t reveal them at this time. I don’t want to muddle the conversation about who I feel should be our primary targets.

I think the most likely scum team is blacky and Strike Wolf. I’ll leave it to others to try and establish voting evidence on this. First, because I am not sure how to do this. Second, depending on how meta they are, a voting pattern may or may not be truly indicative of alignment.

But here are my thoughts. Even though it seems like I counterclaimed SW, there is a good chance he is a Doctor. However, as we’ve seen so far, traditional titles and roles in Razorverse are not alignment indicative, look at pershy for instance.

So, since jfm was a poisoner and ragian has claimed passive poisoner, wouldn’t it make sense for there to be a mafia doc? I believe that is what SW is. Sometimes the best lies are based on partial truths.

Also, since I am the TOWN Priest and SW’s claimed abilities are almost exactly like mine, I doubt he is town also. Too much redundancy. THIS IS MY MAIN REASON FOR THINKING THEY ARE SCUM.

I still don’t buy blacky’s explanation about the “bump” or “no bump” lie he was caught in.

Apologies... I thought I had cleared this up!
Originally I thought my target had poisoned me so I did not want to reveal who it was, however since jfm claimed (in a roundabout way) that he was my attacker, I reread the pm from the mod and the wording was that on my way to my target I was bumped into and I felt a pain in my side... so my target was not my poisoner but probably jfm or someone else.

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@Blacky, did you bump into something and then get a message that something didn't feel good or something similar? (Because I did.)

FP'ed by TX

No, I dont think i bumped in to anything, i was swimming and i felt a pain on my side

Which one is it?

Jesus... they both say exactly the same thing!
There is no inconsistency here...

First I said "I was bumped into and I felt a pain in my side"
Then I said what the pm said "No, I dont think i bumped in to anything, i was swimming and i felt a pain on my side"

The second time, i am saying that I did not bump in to something as opposed to something else bumping in to me... is that so difficult to understand?

Also, these posts wasting space about the probabilites 1/16 or 1/256 or 1/who the F cares! why is this getting so much airtime? it is literally meaningless and is just clogging up this ever growing message board which inevitably means ppl will end up skimming even more!

Both the above points, are just fillers, imo posts designed to look busy and being involved but actually not contributing to the overall discussion!

Sorry for my rant, but this is getting so tedious with so much fluff and so little substance.

Most people after claiming they were bumped into and then asked if they bumped into anything wouldn’t just say:

No, I dont think i bumped in to anything, i was swimming and i felt a pain on my side

They would say, “No, but I was bumped into”.

I think blacky was trying to mirror Mets poisoning verbiage and got caught

SW’s claim to have healed someone the same night they were poisoned also bothers me. I am positive that would violate game mechanics and so to claim this is scummy.

Also, blacky and SW seem to be working too well together. Everyone else has been at each other’s throats. I think they are a well oiled scum machine.

When I get more time, I will dig up more reasons, but I want to get this posted ASAP.


Now, which one do we lynch?

It has to be blacky.

#1 If we are wrong and SW is a Town Doctor, we don’t want to kill off a valuable asset, especially since I’ll probably be next and if town loses both protector/healer roles, they are screwed.

#2 If SW is scum and a Doctor, he works in a support role and can’t hurt town N4. Blacky may have a Night Action (such as a poisoner) that is detrimental to town.

Therefore blacky has to go

Vote blacky365

[Tobikera]

I have to believe that my misdirection caused one of those deaths, probably Aage. Of course, I falsely thought that my misdirection on N1 caused blacky to be poisoned by Metsfanmax. My action was successful N3. I am waiting for the player that I misdirected to fess up, i.e. admit they were misdirected. If he/she does not, can we assume they are scum? Of course, we need more info about what the misdirected action was followed by a confirmation from the person acted upon. Otherwise.....

Another thought, since Metsfanmax said he was poisoned and because strike wolf did not detoxify him, can we conclude that strike wolf is scum? And, if he is scum, then blacky must be scum as well, because he claimed to be detoxified by strike wolf?? Or, do I remember events wrong?? Just throwing all that out there for discussion. It's 5 AM here and I've been sluggishly awake since 3 AM, so the old bean is a bit clouded.

I was misdirected last night. Pushing for me to claim and suggesting our claimed Doc may be scum in your first post of the day? I thought your attempt to get Metsfanmax lynched earlier was simply misguided but pushing the same thing again—immediately after we get confirmation of how wrong you were the first time—is just scummy.

Pika, Pika, why so sensitive? Please read my posts again. No where did I mention your name. Yes, I misdirected you last night. And, I went to pains to say that my misdirection MIGHT HAVE cost Aage his life. I said it was one possibility. Why are you so upset? You haven't said anything in your defense. You have not given us one bit of information to show you weren't involved. Scum know who we townies are, so you have little left to protect, if indeed you are town. If we don't nail one of them today, this game could be over. So, you were misdirected by me. At least tell us if your night action was successful or not. I have admitted about three times that I was wrong about Mets, and did not revote him after jfm was killed. Doesn't that tell you something about my change of feelings about his loyalties? During this game, my comments seem to be ignored in large measure unless I get too close for comfort. I didn't vote for jfm or dakky, and when I realized my mistake from D1, did not revote Mets. I didn't need confirmation, I already knew. You reactith too much, I think. And, I am permitted my opinions, n'cest pas? I'm also allowed to vote.

UNVOTE
VOTE Pikanchion

[TX AG 90]

OMG,

I forgot to post one of the most important parts of my gambit. I didn't choose to heal Mets in order to see what SW would do.

Him not healing Mets, even on the off chance he thought Mets was scummy, is scummy to me. I don't remember a huge push to paint Mets as scummy over our long D3. Therefore, I think SW let a townie die knowing that would be one less townie.

[Tobikera]

@TX AG 90

Now we're getting somewhere. I said before that you were at or near the top of my town list. Not only am I suspicious of SW and blacky, but as you can see above, also Pikanchion and one other I won't mention. Not sure if Pika is one of the other pair you mention, but you might consider his response to my revealing the result of my N3 action (without mentioning his name first). It would not serve any good purpose to travel two roads at once, so I will join you on the first road.

UNVOTE
VOTE Blacky365

Also, I should thank Pika for confirming my N3 misdirection. That's two confirmations and one maybe (from BuJaber).

[TX AG 90]

I have to believe that my misdirection caused one of those deaths, probably Aage. Of course, I falsely thought that my misdirection on N1 caused blacky to be poisoned by Metsfanmax. My action was successful N3. I am waiting for the player that I misdirected to fess up, i.e. admit they were misdirected. If he/she does not, can we assume they are scum? Of course, we need more info about what the misdirected action was followed by a confirmation from the person acted upon. Otherwise.....

Another thought, since Metsfanmax said he was poisoned and because strike wolf did not detoxify him, can we conclude that strike wolf is scum? And, if he is scum, then blacky must be scum as well, because he claimed to be detoxified by strike wolf?? Or, do I remember events wrong?? Just throwing all that out there for discussion. It's 5 AM here and I've been sluggishly awake since 3 AM, so the old bean is a bit clouded.

I was misdirected last night. Pushing for me to claim and suggesting our claimed Doc may be scum in your first post of the day? I thought your attempt to get Metsfanmax lynched earlier was simply misguided but pushing the same thing again—immediately after we get confirmation of how wrong you were the first time—is just scummy.

Pika, Pika, why so sensitive? Please read my posts again. No where did I mention your name. Yes, I misdirected you last night. And, I went to pains to say that my misdirection MIGHT HAVE cost Aage his life. I said it was one possibility. Why are you so upset? You haven't said anything in your defense. You have not given us one bit of information to show you weren't involved. Scum know who we townies are, so you have little left to protect, if indeed you are town. If we don't nail one of them today, this game could be over. So, you were misdirected by me. At least tell us if your night action was successful or not. I have admitted about three times that I was wrong about Mets, and did not revote him after jfm was killed. Doesn't that tell you something about my change of feelings about his loyalties? During this game, my comments seem to be ignored in large measure unless I get too close for comfort. I didn't vote for jfm or dakky, and when I realized my mistake from D1, did not revote Mets. I didn't need confirmation, I already knew. You reactith too much, I think. And, I am permitted my opinions, n'cest pas? I'm also allowed to vote.

UNVOTE
VOTE Pikanchion

Tobi,, besides redirecting Pika, do you have any other information that would lead you to believe you may have inadvertently cause aags's death? Couldn't he just be the target of a night kill?

FP'ed by Tobi

[TX AG 90]

@TX AG 90

Now we're getting somewhere. I said before that you were at or near the top of my town list. Not only am I suspicious of SW and blacky, but as you can see above, also Pikanchion and one other I won't mention. Not sure if Pika is one of the other pair you mention, but you might consider his response to my revealing the result of my N3 action (without mentioning his name first). It would not serve any good purpose to travel two roads at once, so I will join you on the first road.

UNVOTE
VOTE Blacky365

Also, I should thank Pika for confirming my N3 misdirection. That's two confirmations and one maybe (from BuJaber).

Thanks Tobi,

I think this is the way to go. As I said before, in order for town to win, we need to target teams of scum. If we are right about blacky, then SW follows. If we are right about Pika, then only 1 domino falls. But yes, Pika is one of the secondary teams I have suspicions of. I just have very little evidence and that is why I am focusing on blacky/SW.

[Pikanchion]

No where did I mention your name.

Of course, we need more info about what the misdirected action was followed by a confirmation from the person acted upon. Otherwise.....

Oh, how silly of me, that could have been directed at anybody who was the target of your action last night. I guess I'll just address a series of insults towards the player in the Western Panamanian Highlands, you couldn't possibly take offence to this because I wouldn't have used your name, right?

So, you were misdirected by me. At least tell us if your night action was successful or not.

No.

[TX AG 90]

No where did I mention your name.

Of course, we need more info about what the misdirected action was followed by a confirmation from the person acted upon. Otherwise.....

Oh, how silly of me, that could have been directed at anybody who was the target of your action last night. I guess I'll just address a series of insults towards the player in the Western Panamanian Highlands, you couldn't possibly take offence to this because I wouldn't have used your name, right?

So, you were misdirected by me. At least tell us if your night action was successful or not.

No.

No, you aren't telling or No, you're action was not successful?

[TX AG 90]

When do Poison Deaths happen?

In other words, was Mets was able to Silence someone before dying or does he die first?

When I was poisoned, my message said that without intervention, I would not make it PAST N2. But could I have still taken a night action before dying? I guess I could since my night action was to heal myself. Therefore, it stands to reason that Mets may have silenced someone last night before dying. But who knows? Probably not important anyway.

[Ragian]

OMG,

I forgot to post one of the most important parts of my gambit. I didn't choose to heal Mets in order to see what SW would do.

Him not healing Mets, even on the off chance he thought Mets was scummy, is scummy to me. I don't remember a huge push to paint Mets as scummy over our long D3. Therefore, I think SW let a townie die knowing that would be one less townie.

So, you sacrificed Mets to nail scum? Why aren't you voting SW, then?

[TX AG 90]

OMG,

I forgot to post one of the most important parts of my gambit. I didn't choose to heal Mets in order to see what SW would do.

Him not healing Mets, even on the off chance he thought Mets was scummy, is scummy to me. I don't remember a huge push to paint Mets as scummy over our long D3. Therefore, I think SW let a townie die knowing that would be one less townie.

So, you sacrificed Mets to nail scum? Why aren't you voting SW, then?

Not entirely, I laid all that out in an earlier post, but I'll repeat. I can only use 1 night action. I chose to protect myself last night. If SW heals Mets, great. If he doesn't, it would confirm my suspicion that he's scum.

Also, I plan to vote SW if blacky flips scum. I laid out the reasons for going with blacky instead of SW. You'll have to reread those, I'm not going to retype that part.

[TX AG 90]

OMG,

I forgot to post one of the most important parts of my gambit. I didn't choose to heal Mets in order to see what SW would do.

Him not healing Mets, even on the off chance he thought Mets was scummy, is scummy to me. I don't remember a huge push to paint Mets as scummy over our long D3. Therefore, I think SW let a townie die knowing that would be one less townie.

So, you sacrificed Mets to nail scum? Why aren't you voting SW, then?

It looks like you only read my 3rd post, not my first 2.

[strike wolf]

@tobi: He might be sensitive because you phrased it in a pretty leading way that would make Pika seem scummy if Pik a admitted it or didn't admit it. Your logic for accusing Mets day 2 was pretty shit. Your reasoning here is only better because you weren't as adamant about it. You pretty much said "I'm not gonna say that Pik a targeted Aage to kill him but it could have been the case!"

I didn't target Mets last night. I was suspicious of him. No one was voting Mets but more others were suspicious of him. I also had two other factors to consider, 1. Rages claim was still up in the air, as long as Mets was alive, no one could prove that Ragians claim was true. 2. Protecting a player I was suspicious of could potentially expose a player I trusted. 3. I wasn't sure how likely (there are a lot of but I did take into account that there was a possibility) that there was a second healer who might choose to save Mets, I guess I was wrong. It was a gamble. I suppose a bad one.

I chose to protect ZaBeast last night.

@TX: I thought I had mentioned this but perhaps I got distracted and never actually posted...my main action is to prevent (block as it says in my pm) all night kill attempts. Poisoning is a kill attempt. Even from a passive poisoner. It's just one with a delayed trigger.

I am not going to vote anyone right now. We are likely close to Lylo and we need to be careful about voting until we know we have more facts and better info. Right now, I am suspicious of anyone trying to start an early wagon.

I suppose I'll share more. Tonight my action came back as successful. On prodding the mod I pretty much found out this just means I wasn't role blocked or redirected. Furthermore, my message from night 2 seemed to indicate that me and Blacky received protection (Blacky from me and me from ???) To complicate matters, I was told what my 300 credit condition was which I wasn't supposed to know until I achieved my 100 credit one which was to save two people from poison (I do not think this would include TX because it seems to specifies that it happens when I save them). The strange part is that the way the message was written, I lost vision and then I knew me and my target were safe. I'm still not really sure what this means exactly.

I would not claim doc (Even if I was scum sided doc) to counter claim someone I thought had claimed doc on day 2 if I was scum and there was a second scum team. Claiming doc day 2 is like asking for scum to try to figure out a way to take you out of the game. Ergo it's suicide. I would not counter claim a doc unless I had good reason to know the guy wasn't a doc. He flips doc, I'm lynched the next day. Ergo, it's still suicide. I could be allied with a role cop if i was scum and check JFM but this would be a waste of a role cops action to target someone who's already claimed. Which leaves some other way that we figured out that JFM wasnt who he claimed. So I'm either suicidal, there s no ofher scum team in the game and I'm allied with a role cop who investigated someone who had already claimed because I guess we're idiots, we miraculously discovered he was lying about being a doc or I'm not scum.

@TX: What made you feel you were a better protection target than anyone else in the game?

[Tobikera]

Tobi,, besides redirecting Pika, do you have any other information that would lead you to believe you may have inadvertently cause aags's death? Couldn't he just be the target of a night kill?

FP'ed by Tobi

All I got from the mod was that my night action (misdirect Pika) was a success. Nothing else. As I said somewhere above, one possibility is that this action caused Aage's death. There are other possibilities, similar to what happened after N1. However, I did not mention Pika's name as my target, and his response made it seem like I had. He could have kept quiet, but he probably figured that if he didn't say something, then I would declare that it was him I misdirected. He provided no new info on who he targeted, what his role is, etc. etc. He just accused me of pressuring him to admit he had been misdirected. Then he lambasted me for being suspicious of SW and Blacky. I think I have the right to be suspicious of anyone I choose, and to receive such a paranoid response from him, without naming him, seem scummy to me. To answer your last question, yes, Aage could have just been the target of a night kill. However, without knowing anything about Pika makes him suspicious because he can't be excluded.

[Sirius Kase]

There is an active poisoner.
I did not target ragian.
I assume I did not get redirected. (Didn't get any of the flavor and I doubt Tobi redirected me again based on what he said day 3).

And YET I got poisoned.

And I refuse to believe the active poisoner can be town.

So don't believe any claims.

BuJ, Aage spoke well of you. He died, suddenly and without warning, and you were poisoned. Did you bump, or were you bumped? Not blaming the victim here, but you are one more data point to help us figure out the poisoning mechanism. Our previous victims have been inconsistent in their reporting, so either there is more than one way to get poisoned or someone is lying without knowing enough to keep it consistent.

Last night, did Ragian bump or get bumped? Has Blacky anything new to say on this subject?

Do we have any doubts about Strike, our presumed poison doctor? I think he's town, and I think he's sensible. I believe there was some sort of consensus building on Metz' alignment and he might have had votes if he wasn't going to die anyway. Of course, he flipped town, so whatever arguments that consensus was based on are suspect. We need to examine the people responsible for those arguments.

Aage's death was sudden and not a poisoning. Did he suspect he was about to die? He asked for and got time to post a detailed final analysis. I'm not sure who can answer that, I didn't pick up any clues from his post, but I'm hoping someone more observant than me can.

We need to vindicate or condemn Buj. Victims of poisoning deserve as much attention as lynch candidates. It's not fair to strike to be forced to make a decision without clear guidance from town, he's at risk of damning himself if victim flips town.

[Sirius Kase]

Oh yeah, TG claiming to be a faith healer opens up that area for questioning. Do we really have multiple healers? If we do, IMHO, one is scum. Whoever killed aage is probably scum, and the way poison flows so freely, probably multiple poisoners, too. Back to thinking about the setup. The possibility of having multiple occurrences of important roles complicates things significantly.

[BuJaber]

No bump mentioned. Someone bit me.

[BuJaber]

So I don't believe TX.

If he were town and really believed his stuff, specifically the redundancy in town roles part, he would have went after strike.

In fact he would have went after strike earlier in the game. Why let town run around thinking strike is our savior?

Because TX is scum. He is setting up these two lynches, while hedging his bets on strike just so nobody looks too closely, and so he can avoid the suspicion and lynch that would undoubtedly come at him if strike flips town.

In other words, he doesn't want to lynch strike because if strike gets lynched and flips town TX will be lynched. He wants to delay that as much as possible.

Very well done pretending you were a newbie. But this is all way too skilled. You had me fooled for sure, I was struggling to read you because of the newbie looking stuff.

Vote TX AG 90