INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[ZaBeast]

BuJ said he was redirected on N2 because the result he got couldn't come from mets. I just asked pika to confirm since he claimed to have received BuJ's result through wiretapping Aage

[Skoffin]

I.... don't follow?

[TX AG 90]

I think the main reason I don't trust TX is the "You can't prove I'm scum" thing. He's very confident about that. Yet he claims to be a redirector. Now let's break that down a little bit.

I've claimed Healer multiple times and I still haven't wrapped my head around what a redirector can and cannot do. It seems like we have 3 versions of it with slightly changed abilities.

The reason I say you can't prove I am scum is because I am town. Therefor proving me scum is impossible.

You may believe I am scum, you may even lynch me as scum, but you will never prove I am scum - I will flip town on the narrative; scum will rejoice and town will smack their heads again.

[Skoffin]

Hey chap if you believe Zabeast the most, how come you don't want to lynch Tobi?

[ZaBeast]

I.... don't follow?

I targeted tobi so he would be redirected. Therefore BuJ shouldn't have been redirected. However, BuJ claims he still did not land on his target based on the result he got (targeted mets, and said the result can't apply to mets) and Pika confirms (claimed to have wiretapped Aage, who wiretapped BuJ, effectively getting the result of BuJ's action). There is still the possibility that BuJ has been bussed, but then that would mean both chap (claimed busdriver, I don't believe we have 2) and TX (claimed not the have been redirected, even though tobi's action landed on him) have to be lying.

Clearer?

[Tobikera]

I.... don't follow?

I targeted tobi so he would be redirected. Therefore BuJ shouldn't have been redirected. However, BuJ claims he still did not land on his target based on the result he got (targeted mets, and said the result can't apply to mets) and Pika confirms (claimed to have wiretapped Aage, who wiretapped BuJ, effectively getting the result of BuJ's action). There is still the possibility that BuJ has been bussed, but then that would mean both chap (claimed busdriver, I don't believe we have 2) and TX (claimed not the have been redirected, even though tobi's action landed on him) have to be lying.

Clearer?

I'm not sure it will help or satisfy, but let me try one more time. For N2 results, my second misdirection (chosen target = BuJaber), the mod indicated the following (paraphrased): I set off to find my prey; I felt a bump, but continued through the night till I found my prey.

Now this might be semantics, but I think in terms of a target. That is, I told the mod I wanted to target BuJaber on N2. Is he my prey, or is my favorite food fish (anything colorful) my prey? In the mod's mind, maybe there is no difference. How about in yours? I did not receive a message like I did from N1 and N3 action, that my action was successful. If the mod sent me the wrong result on N2 because he thought I was going after my favorite food (prey), then it's not my fault. Regardless, as I stated early on D3, I targeted BuJaber but was unsuccessful, parroting what the mod told me. That's all I can do or say.

However, ZB, there are other possibilities for your explanation above. For one, both you and Pika could be scum and are lying about what happened that night. And, if BuJaber is scum (which at this point I do not believe), he could be lying as well...sort of a circular CMA effort among the scum. All I know is what I wrote above is gospel, which will be revealed to all at game's end.

[ZaBeast]

There are different combinations of people lying that could be possible, but the most likely one (because it involves only 1 person lying) is you lying. And since even if you were master misdirector, your alignment is far from being proven (though if people are lying to get you framed then it would obviously be alignment indicative), I am keeping my vote on you.

Here are the possibilities as I see them:
- I lied and didn't redirect tobi (didn't happen)
- tobi lied and isn't master redirector, but someone else on his scum team is
- tobi is master redirector, and BuJ and pika lied/are wrong about BuJ getting redirected; TX lied about not getting redirected
- tobi is master redirector, and BuJ has been bussed : chap is lying as he didn't bus who he claimed to; TX is lying about not being redirected

[blacky365]

ZaB are you willing to put your neck on the line for this lynch?
If tobi flips town and master redirector how will you respond?

I’m being won over by the tobi lynch argument, but I’m just not 100% convinced... something about tobi seems legit

[chapcrap]

Chap, you can see it your way but I'm not going to stop seeing it from my perspective. Your plan is terrible and puts us at risk of losing if we guess wrong. You are overrelying on your role to save the day and I am not going to use statistics alone to decide how to vote and everyones actual play etc needs to be considered.

It seems like you are intentionally trying to minimize what I'm saying. Two things do not have to be mutually exclusive. You can scumhunt within the group B. That's what I said from the beginning. Narrow the search.

Regardless, how great are we at scumhunting? We haven't found one yet. So, narrowing the parameters seems like a pretty freaking smart thing to do.

Skoffin, while you may view it as a 1/2 chance to lynch from group A, the majority of people cannot see it that way. At best, it's 1/3 if they think sw is town. I do think that. But between Ragian, you, and Tobi, I'm really unsure. I have a ranking for scumminess that I laid out earlier, but they truth is, I cannot be sure and neither can others. So, group B is better as far as ratios go. And, if you really believe BuJ is town, which I think you said before, then that makes the group B ratio even better for a scum lynch. And even better if a townie is accidentally lynched today. To me, with the information I have, a group B lynch makes the most sense.

Even if you are telling the truth it would be at worst 2 scum in each group from the information you claim to have, given you know one of the four from last night are scum and you cannot know if TX AG 90 is Town. Why are you so sure two players whose claims are nearly identical are both town, and further, if you are so sure about strike wolf then you actually have an additional group for which the likelihood is of lynching scum is 1/3; Ragian, Skoffin, and Tobikera.

Again, TX is part of the 5 in group B. I suggested not lynching him because of his role claim. I never said he was a townie or shouldn't be lynched.

Hey chap if you believe Zabeast the most, how come you don't want to lynch Tobi?

First of all, I never said I believe ZaB the most. I believe sw the most. I feel like I have made that clear.

Second, IF I believed ZaB the most, that doesn't mean I believe Tobi is scum. Tobi has a confirmed role. Confirmed alignment? No. We have already been burned by counter claims in this game. So, I'm done messing with counter claims as a reason to lynch.

There are different combinations of people lying that could be possible, but the most likely one (because it involves only 1 person lying) is you lying.

I don't accept this premise. The most likely is multiple. Unless you think there is only one scum...

ZaB are you willing to put your neck on the line for this lynch?
If tobi flips town and master redirector how will you respond?

I’m being won over by the tobi lynch argument, but I’m just not 100% convinced... something about tobi seems legit

Again, I don't accept the counter claim as a lynch reason. I think directing people towards that end is scummy. And if you were willing to try to hold ZaB to that now, why are you not voting for Skoffin for yesterday's lynch?

I'm definitely not voting Tobi with all of the scummy vibes I get from group B. That's an attention redirect from scum. Unless you believe that there are at least 4 scum between me, Ragian, sw, Tobi, and Skoffin, there are scum in group B. I don't think anyone thinks that. So, why not scum hunt group B? To me, that is a much scummier group than group A. Scummier in actions. Scummier from my night results.

[Pikanchion]

I suggested not lynching him because of his role claim.

I never said he was a townie or shouldn't be lynched.

Okay.

—

Hey chap if you believe Zabeast the most, how come you don't want to lynch Tobi?

First of all, I never said I believe ZaB the most. I believe sw the most. I feel like I have made that clear.

Of those 5, I trust ZaB the most and Sirius/Pika/blacky the least.

—

New ability - swap the actions of 4 people. This happens in two sets of two. So, basically double the first action. In addition to the doubling, I also get told how many scum are involved with the 4 people I switch.

If we all make it until tomorrow, I should have new information on the investigative properties of my role.

I will be able to bring more information tomorrow as well. Could be 4 completely new people. Could be the same people. That will depend on how I feel about the day once night is here.

Do you stand by this highly believable claim?

[blacky365]

ZaB are you willing to put your neck on the line for this lynch?
If tobi flips town and master redirector how will you respond?

I’m being won over by the tobi lynch argument, but I’m just not 100% convinced... something about tobi seems legit

Again, I don't accept the counter claim as a lynch reason. I think directing people towards that end is scummy. And if you were willing to try to hold ZaB to that now, why are you not voting for Skoffin for yesterday's lynch?

erm ok then... my vote was on skoffin all day, i only unvoted recently because no one else was joining me and no point wasting my vote.

Skoff put her neck on the line yesterday and should be held accountable for it, otherwise any time scum want to convince you of something they will use that line knowing you wont hold them to it anyway.

Aside from this, i think you would be better suited to picking 4 members of group b to see how many are actually scum.
If you blindly lynch all of group b then we will lose, most likely because we will hit lylo before lynching enough scum...
I am only in group b because you have not investigated me, come check me out... I have nothing to hide and town has everything to lose by lynching another townie.

[strike wolf]

My hesitancy with Chaos plan is that it puts a lot of faith into one person's role instead of the game at large. I generally trust him. I mean that's one he'll of an out of the way way to make a fake claim but it's still one role and we don't know if there isn't a godfather scum that might throw off the numbers. My other hesitancy is that Tobi has been acting scummy all game and I've continually failed to stick with him, am I really giving him a 4th or 5th chance at this point?

The first point isn't overly significant. There's a 3/11 chance that a Godfather would be in that group if there was even a godfather which is starting to feel kinda unlikely. The second is mostly because Tobi keeps saying things that trip my scumdar.

Tx did try to sow some doubt about me day 3. It mostly revolved around the idea that I couldn't do anything about a poisoning the night one was poisoned. It mostly seemed based on a difference in how our roles worked.

Skoff: Do you think Pika is town now?

[chapcrap]

I suggested not lynching him because of his role claim.

I never said he was a townie or shouldn't be lynched.

Okay.

I mean, whatever. I said he was part of group B the whole time. That's the point. I suggested that if someone from group B joined to make the majority, I suggested TX because he's the only one with a claim that was helpful to town at all.

Hey chap if you believe Zabeast the most, how come you don't want to lynch Tobi?

First of all, I never said I believe ZaB the most. I believe sw the most. I feel like I have made that clear.

Of those 5, I trust ZaB the most and Sirius/Pika/blacky the least.

He didn't say of group B. Those quotes were about two different sets of people. So, yeah, from group B, at that time (a lot of discussion ago), I thought ZaB was the most trustworthy. From the whole group of alive people, it's sw and has been since day 2.

New ability - swap the actions of 4 people. This happens in two sets of two. So, basically double the first action. In addition to the doubling, I also get told how many scum are involved with the 4 people I switch.

If we all make it until tomorrow, I should have new information on the investigative properties of my role.

I will be able to bring more information tomorrow as well. Could be 4 completely new people. Could be the same people. That will depend on how I feel about the day once night is here.

Do you stand by this highly believable claim?

Yeah. Do you stand by your ridiculousness?

If you blindly lynch all of group b then we will lose, most likely because we will hit lylo before lynching enough scum...
I am only in group b because you have not investigated me, come check me out... I have nothing to hide and town has everything to lose by lynching another townie.

I don't disagree, but, as ZaB has pointed out many times, I cannot use the bonus action again. So, no more investigating. I'm not saying to blindly lynch group B.

Tx did try to sow some doubt about me day 3. It mostly revolved around the idea that I couldn't do anything about a poisoning the night one was poisoned. It mostly seemed based on a difference in how our roles worked.

This is the biggest reason that I leaned toward believing what TX threw down with his claim. He breadcrumbed and investigated sw's doc claim stuff for a while before claiming.

[Skoffin]

Chap, you can see it your way but I'm not going to stop seeing it from my perspective. Your plan is terrible and puts us at risk of losing if we guess wrong. You are overrelying on your role to save the day and I am not going to use statistics alone to decide how to vote and everyones actual play etc needs to be considered.

It seems like you are intentionally trying to minimize what I'm saying. Two things do not have to be mutually exclusive. You can scumhunt within the group B. That's what I said from the beginning. Narrow the search.

Regardless, how great are we at scumhunting? We haven't found one yet. So, narrowing the parameters seems like a pretty freaking smart thing to do.

Yeah mate, and narrowing is what I am doing - ragoo/tobi is 1/2 chance in my eyes. Plan is still terrible for other reasons.

Skoffin, while you may view it as a 1/2 chance to lynch from group A, the majority of people cannot see it that way. At best, it's 1/3 if they think sw is town. I do think that. But between Ragian, you, and Tobi, I'm really unsure. I have a ranking for scumminess that I laid out earlier, but they truth is, I cannot be sure and neither can others. So, group B is better as far as ratios go. And, if you really believe BuJ is town, which I think you said before, then that makes the group B ratio even better for a scum lynch. And even better if a townie is accidentally lynched today. To me, with the information I have, a group B lynch makes the most sense.

Even if you are telling the truth it would be at worst 2 scum in each group from the information you claim to have, given you know one of the four from last night are scum and you cannot know if TX AG 90 is Town. Why are you so sure two players whose claims are nearly identical are both town, and further, if you are so sure about strike wolf then you actually have an additional group for which the likelihood is of lynching scum is 1/3; Ragian, Skoffin, and Tobikera.

Again, TX is part of the 5 in group B. I suggested not lynching him because of his role claim. I never said he was a townie or shouldn't be lynched.

Hey chap if you believe Zabeast the most, how come you don't want to lynch Tobi?

First of all, I never said I believe ZaB the most. I believe sw the most. I feel like I have made that clear.

Second, IF I believed ZaB the most, that doesn't mean I believe Tobi is scum. Tobi has a confirmed role. Confirmed alignment? No. We have already been burned by counter claims in this game. So, I'm done messing with counter claims as a reason to lynch.
Pika already sorted this one lol

There are different combinations of people lying that could be possible, but the most likely one (because it involves only 1 person lying) is you lying.

I don't accept this premise. The most likely is multiple. Unless you think there is only one scum...

ZaB are you willing to put your neck on the line for this lynch?
If tobi flips town and master redirector how will you respond?

I’m being won over by the tobi lynch argument, but I’m just not 100% convinced... something about tobi seems legit

Again, I don't accept the counter claim as a lynch reason. I think directing people towards that end is scummy. And if you were willing to try to hold ZaB to that now, why are you not voting for Skoffin for yesterday's lynch?

I'm definitely not voting Tobi with all of the scummy vibes I get from group B. That's an attention redirect from scum. Unless you believe that there are at least 4 scum between me, Ragian, sw, Tobi, and Skoffin, there are scum in group B. I don't think anyone thinks that. So, why not scum hunt group B? To me, that is a much scummier group than group A. Scummier in actions. Scummier from my night results.

My overall answer to this is simply that I am not going to vote in a way that you direct me to. I don't know what side you are on and have no reason to trust your judgement over my own. I'm also not aware of your skill levels so, no offence meant, I can't be sure how likely you are to understand what is happening and how to read people and I'm not going to put my faith in you regardless of alignment. It's not the same as trusting people like Buj or strike whom we have reasons to view as town and have a known record of being good players.

Skoff: Do you think Pika is town now?

Not really sure yet.

Tx did try to sow some doubt about me day 3. It mostly revolved around the idea that I couldn't do anything about a poisoning the night one was poisoned. It mostly seemed based on a difference in how our roles worked.

This is the biggest reason that I leaned toward believing what TX threw down with his claim. He breadcrumbed and investigated sw's doc claim stuff for a while before claiming.

I've been breadcrumbing all game, do you trust me too then eh?


Anyway we have like a day left ffs. In the interest of getting something done, I'll swap my vote and see what happens. Considering TX is in the B group Chap should have no problem with me voting him right? And chap should be willing to do the same, correct?

unvote vote TX

[Skoffin]

I thought it worth mentioning this; I have an ability that has pros and cons to it, but it should help town tonight. (don't bother asking today, I'll reveal tomorrow) However it may or may not come at the cost of Buj. I'm going to flip a coin to decide if I risk it or not. However, for that reason I ask Buj to give us any further thoughts he has on players/alignments just in case.

[Razorvich]

Day 4 will end: CC Time: 2019-04-26 23:59:59

[chapcrap]

OMG. Whatever Skoffin. Your responses are nothing. You obviously didn't even look at what I said. PIka is comparing things that don't even go together. And YOU didn't even respond to my response to YOUR question. And then you vote for a completely new person that no one else is thinking about voting for. What's the point? Try making a valid case maybe? You're dead to me in this game. Ignoring what you say for the rest of it.

Maybe I should have just kept my information to myself. Idk, but this is ridiculous.

[TX AG 90]

Chap, you can see it your way but I'm not going to stop seeing it from my perspective. Your plan is terrible and puts us at risk of losing if we guess wrong. You are overrelying on your role to save the day and I am not going to use statistics alone to decide how to vote and everyones actual play etc needs to be considered.

It seems like you are intentionally trying to minimize what I'm saying. Two things do not have to be mutually exclusive. You can scumhunt within the group B. That's what I said from the beginning. Narrow the search.

Regardless, how great are we at scumhunting? We haven't found one yet. So, narrowing the parameters seems like a pretty freaking smart thing to do.

Yeah mate, and narrowing is what I am doing - ragoo/tobi is 1/2 chance in my eyes. Plan is still terrible for other reasons.

Skoffin, while you may view it as a 1/2 chance to lynch from group A, the majority of people cannot see it that way. At best, it's 1/3 if they think sw is town. I do think that. But between Ragian, you, and Tobi, I'm really unsure. I have a ranking for scumminess that I laid out earlier, but they truth is, I cannot be sure and neither can others. So, group B is better as far as ratios go. And, if you really believe BuJ is town, which I think you said before, then that makes the group B ratio even better for a scum lynch. And even better if a townie is accidentally lynched today. To me, with the information I have, a group B lynch makes the most sense.

Even if you are telling the truth it would be at worst 2 scum in each group from the information you claim to have, given you know one of the four from last night are scum and you cannot know if TX AG 90 is Town. Why are you so sure two players whose claims are nearly identical are both town, and further, if you are so sure about strike wolf then you actually have an additional group for which the likelihood is of lynching scum is 1/3; Ragian, Skoffin, and Tobikera.

Again, TX is part of the 5 in group B. I suggested not lynching him because of his role claim. I never said he was a townie or shouldn't be lynched.

Hey chap if you believe Zabeast the most, how come you don't want to lynch Tobi?

First of all, I never said I believe ZaB the most. I believe sw the most. I feel like I have made that clear.

Second, IF I believed ZaB the most, that doesn't mean I believe Tobi is scum. Tobi has a confirmed role. Confirmed alignment? No. We have already been burned by counter claims in this game. So, I'm done messing with counter claims as a reason to lynch.
Pika already sorted this one lol

I was invited into and joined Group A

There are different combinations of people lying that could be possible, but the most likely one (because it involves only 1 person lying) is you lying.

I don't accept this premise. The most likely is multiple. Unless you think there is only one scum...

ZaB are you willing to put your neck on the line for this lynch?
If tobi flips town and master redirector how will you respond?

I’m being won over by the tobi lynch argument, but I’m just not 100% convinced... something about tobi seems legit

Again, I don't accept the counter claim as a lynch reason. I think directing people towards that end is scummy. And if you were willing to try to hold ZaB to that now, why are you not voting for Skoffin for yesterday's lynch?

I'm definitely not voting Tobi with all of the scummy vibes I get from group B. That's an attention redirect from scum. Unless you believe that there are at least 4 scum between me, Ragian, sw, Tobi, and Skoffin, there are scum in group B. I don't think anyone thinks that. So, why not scum hunt group B? To me, that is a much scummier group than group A. Scummier in actions. Scummier from my night results.

My overall answer to this is simply that I am not going to vote in a way that you direct me to. I don't know what side you are on and have no reason to trust your judgement over my own. I'm also not aware of your skill levels so, no offence meant, I can't be sure how likely you are to understand what is happening and how to read people and I'm not going to put my faith in you regardless of alignment. It's not the same as trusting people like Buj or strike whom we have reasons to view as town and have a known record of being good players.

Skoff: Do you think Pika is town now?

Not really sure yet.

Tx did try to sow some doubt about me day 3. It mostly revolved around the idea that I couldn't do anything about a poisoning the night one was poisoned. It mostly seemed based on a difference in how our roles worked.

This is the biggest reason that I leaned toward believing what TX threw down with his claim. He breadcrumbed and investigated sw's doc claim stuff for a while before claiming.

I've been breadcrumbing all game, do you trust me too then eh?


Anyway we have like a day left ffs. In the interest of getting something done, I'll swap my vote and see what happens. Considering TX is in the B group Chap should have no problem with me voting him right? And chap should be willing to do the same, correct?

unvote vote TX

[Skoffin]

Mate, chill. I didn't respond because, as I wrote, "Pika already did". I'm not repeating something if it's already answered and there was no point to me replying to it as it was already sorted. I voted that "new person" because several people have indicated that they would be willing to vote them, meanwhile people are avoiding dealing with tobi. I've made valid cases but you want to stick to your idea of pick B's or else, and you don't want to hear the ways in which your idea could fail. Well I'm voting someone in group B like you asked.

Now we are running out of time and people aren't making a decision. The two top picks seem to be tobi or pika, so which are you going to vote?

[TX AG 90]

Chap, you can see it your way but I'm not going to stop seeing it from my perspective. Your plan is terrible and puts us at risk of losing if we guess wrong. You are overrelying on your role to save the day and I am not going to use statistics alone to decide how to vote and everyones actual play etc needs to be considered.

It seems like you are intentionally trying to minimize what I'm saying. Two things do not have to be mutually exclusive. You can scumhunt within the group B. That's what I said from the beginning. Narrow the search.

Regardless, how great are we at scumhunting? We haven't found one yet. So, narrowing the parameters seems like a pretty freaking smart thing to do.

Yeah mate, and narrowing is what I am doing - ragoo/tobi is 1/2 chance in my eyes. Plan is still terrible for other reasons.

Skoffin, while you may view it as a 1/2 chance to lynch from group A, the majority of people cannot see it that way. At best, it's 1/3 if they think sw is town. I do think that. But between Ragian, you, and Tobi, I'm really unsure. I have a ranking for scumminess that I laid out earlier, but they truth is, I cannot be sure and neither can others. So, group B is better as far as ratios go. And, if you really believe BuJ is town, which I think you said before, then that makes the group B ratio even better for a scum lynch. And even better if a townie is accidentally lynched today. To me, with the information I have, a group B lynch makes the most sense.

Even if you are telling the truth it would be at worst 2 scum in each group from the information you claim to have, given you know one of the four from last night are scum and you cannot know if TX AG 90 is Town. Why are you so sure two players whose claims are nearly identical are both town, and further, if you are so sure about strike wolf then you actually have an additional group for which the likelihood is of lynching scum is 1/3; Ragian, Skoffin, and Tobikera.

Again, TX is part of the 5 in group B. I suggested not lynching him because of his role claim. I never said he was a townie or shouldn't be lynched.

Hey chap if you believe Zabeast the most, how come you don't want to lynch Tobi?

First of all, I never said I believe ZaB the most. I believe sw the most. I feel like I have made that clear.

Second, IF I believed ZaB the most, that doesn't mean I believe Tobi is scum. Tobi has a confirmed role. Confirmed alignment? No. We have already been burned by counter claims in this game. So, I'm done messing with counter claims as a reason to lynch.
Pika already sorted this one lol

There are different combinations of people lying that could be possible, but the most likely one (because it involves only 1 person lying) is you lying.

I don't accept this premise. The most likely is multiple. Unless you think there is only one scum...

ZaB are you willing to put your neck on the line for this lynch?
If tobi flips town and master redirector how will you respond?

I’m being won over by the tobi lynch argument, but I’m just not 100% convinced... something about tobi seems legit

Again, I don't accept the counter claim as a lynch reason. I think directing people towards that end is scummy. And if you were willing to try to hold ZaB to that now, why are you not voting for Skoffin for yesterday's lynch?

I'm definitely not voting Tobi with all of the scummy vibes I get from group B. That's an attention redirect from scum. Unless you believe that there are at least 4 scum between me, Ragian, sw, Tobi, and Skoffin, there are scum in group B. I don't think anyone thinks that. So, why not scum hunt group B? To me, that is a much scummier group than group A. Scummier in actions. Scummier from my night results.

My overall answer to this is simply that I am not going to vote in a way that you direct me to. I don't know what side you are on and have no reason to trust your judgement over my own. I'm also not aware of your skill levels so, no offence meant, I can't be sure how likely you are to understand what is happening and how to read people and I'm not going to put my faith in you regardless of alignment. It's not the same as trusting people like Buj or strike whom we have reasons to view as town and have a known record of being good players.

Skoff: Do you think Pika is town now?

Not really sure yet.

Tx did try to sow some doubt about me day 3. It mostly revolved around the idea that I couldn't do anything about a poisoning the night one was poisoned. It mostly seemed based on a difference in how our roles worked.

This is the biggest reason that I leaned toward believing what TX threw down with his claim. He breadcrumbed and investigated sw's doc claim stuff for a while before claiming.

I've been breadcrumbing all game, do you trust me too then eh?


Anyway we have like a day left ffs. In the interest of getting something done, I'll swap my vote and see what happens. Considering TX is in the B group Chap should have no problem with me voting him right? And chap should be willing to do the same, correct?

unvote vote TX

EBMOP

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I was invited into and joined Group A

[TX AG 90]

OMG. Whatever Skoffin. Your responses are nothing. You obviously didn't even look at what I said. PIka is comparing things that don't even go together. And YOU didn't even respond to my response to YOUR question. And then you vote for a completely new person that no one else is thinking about voting for. What's the point? Try making a valid case maybe? You're dead to me in this game. Ignoring what you say for the rest of it.

Maybe I should have just kept my information to myself. Idk, but this is ridiculous.

The amount of people trying to poke holes in your plan without any solid reasoning shows me that you have scum scared.

[Skoffin]

Yeah, but there was no logical reason for you to be invited into Group A. Group A was supposed to just be people that he got results on and himself, therefore it makes no sense to include you in it. Either way my vote on you TX was a red herring, I just wanted to know how chap would feel me swapping into the Group B options (but not an option of his choice)

[blacky365]

tobi has just breathed a big sigh of relief!
skoff is so messed up, im putting my vote back because i want it known for the record that i am convinced she is scum.

VOTE SKOFFIN

[ZaBeast]

ZaB are you willing to put your neck on the line for this lynch?
If tobi flips town and master redirector how will you respond?

Look, I'm not going to vote myself tomorrow if tobi flips town, it's going to be up to the rest of town to decide if I should be. I aknowledge I will get some heat tomorrow if tobi flips town but it's a risk I'm willing to take because I firmly believe he is scum. I don't like people who act like they've got their next two lynches lined up because it makes me second-guess myself though.

There are different combinations of people lying that could be possible, but the most likely one (because it involves only 1 person lying) is you lying.

I don't accept this premise. The most likely is multiple. Unless you think there is only one scum...

I disagree. The most likely explanation is the simplest, and to me it's tobi lying. I know scum will be deceptive but they can't lie about all their actions as it could be pretty easy to catch them in a lie.

[ZaBeast]

TX, the only argument chap is putting forward is something along the line of "trust me, they're more likely to be scum than others". I know someone is lying and therefore scum in the tobi situation, and a flip would give much more info than someone who's been mostly ignored so far. Also his plan is based on a false premise as he can't investigate further.