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Pikanchion wrote:TX AG 90 wrote:Where's Sirius hiding?
Why only Sirius Kase? Skoffin has yet to make a post today either.
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Currently we have three people expressly for a mass claim (myself, BuJaber, blacky365), one person expressly against (chapcrap), four implicitly against through lack of commitment (strike wolf, ZaBeast, TX AG 90, Ragian), and two who have not even posted today (Skoffin, Sirius Kase). Now, my position is I would like to hear full claims from at least four specific other players and hear last night's action from every other player and everybodyāwhoāhasn'tāclaimedāitāalready's N2 action before I would really feel comfortable voting today. Surely there are others who feel similarly? Outside of chapcrap and Ragian who seem to both have become partial Cops, who of the rest of us really feel they can make an informed choice about who to vote for? Does anybody have anything to verify that either of these players is telling the truth, does Ragian even know for certain who he targeted given we still have claimed misdirection roles capable of hitting potentially five+ players per night?
I'm curious, does anybody not want a full claim from Skoffin at this point? Perhaps we should all just state who we do want a full claim from, see if anybody gets over six votes and just have those people claim?
ZaBeast wrote:I'll just point out chap bussing 4 people was his bonus ability. He should be back to 2 now.
chapcrap wrote:Pikanchion wrote:chapcrap wrote:New ability - swap the actions of 4 people. This happens in two sets of two. So, basically double the first action. In addition to the doubling, I also get told how many scum are involved with the 4 people I switch.
If we all make it until tomorrow, I should have new information on the investigative properties of my role.
I will be able to bring more information tomorrow as well. Could be 4 completely new people. Could be the same people. That will depend on how I feel about the day once night is here.
Do you stand by this highly believable claim?
Yeah. Do you stand by your ridiculousness?
Ragian wrote:What are your thoughts if someone refuses to claim?
Pikanchion wrote:āFirst, people agree to the plan (6+ players)
āSecond, somebody is chosen to make the first nomination (general agreement or first past the post vote)
āThird, first claimer is nominated
āFourth, first claimer claims and nominates a second or is lynched
āFifth, second claimer claims and nominates a third or is lynched
āetc.
TX AG 90 wrote:Pikanchion wrote:TX AG 90 wrote:Where's Sirius hiding?
Why only Sirius Kase? Skoffin has yet to make a post today either.
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Currently we have three people expressly for a mass claim (myself, BuJaber, blacky365), one person expressly against (chapcrap), four implicitly against through lack of commitment (strike wolf, ZaBeast, TX AG 90, Ragian), and two who have not even posted today (Skoffin, Sirius Kase). Now, my position is I would like to hear full claims from at least four specific other players and hear last night's action from every other player and everybodyāwhoāhasn'tāclaimedāitāalready's N2 action before I would really feel comfortable voting today. Surely there are others who feel similarly? Outside of chapcrap and Ragian who seem to both have become partial Cops, who of the rest of us really feel they can make an informed choice about who to vote for? Does anybody have anything to verify that either of these players is telling the truth, does Ragian even know for certain who he targeted given we still have claimed misdirection roles capable of hitting potentially five+ players per night?
I'm curious, does anybody not want a full claim from Skoffin at this point? Perhaps we should all just state who we do want a full claim from, see if anybody gets over six votes and just have those people claim?
I mentioned Sirius because we haven't heard from him in over a week, real time.
I'm not strongly opposed or for the mass claim. I'll go whichever way the wind blows on this one. I don't think it will benefit my understanding of who is scum, but if it helps town, I'm down. I'm just not sure it will. I'll get off that fence post now!
Pikanchion wrote:Ragian wrote:What are your thoughts if someone refuses to claim?Pikanchion wrote:āFirst, people agree to the plan (6+ players)
āSecond, somebody is chosen to make the first nomination (general agreement or first past the post vote)
āThird, first claimer is nominated
āFourth, first claimer claims and nominates a second or is lynched
āFifth, second claimer claims and nominates a third or is lynched
āetc.
Once we're into the mass claim, refusing to take your turn is akin to refusing to claim at L-1.
blacky365 wrote:I think your idea is nice in theory but in practice wouldnāt work. I doubt scum would go for it and anyone with a very strong role that would make them a scum target if revealed would not want it.
Also, it does kinda defeat the objective of mafia where all roles are private and information is drop fed through night actions and the odd forced claim.
Ragian wrote:First of all, I don't think that we'd have 5 scum when Tobi is a traitor. When I played that role, I had the opportunity to switch alignment. If that's the case here, 5 scum would be too much. However, that's just conjecture.
Well, chap, either you or blacky is scum. Only you two know which one it is and neither of you is voting for the other. I find that a bit weird. Unless, of course, you think I'm scum, but it seems that you haven't thought so throughout the game...
Skoffin wrote: Yeah, I am glad we lynched tobi since he was MAFIA. You are most welcome! Town traitor means he is a TRAITOR to the TOWN, traitor is ALWAYS a mafia-aligned role. So from your own damn perspective tovbi was the scum you found and ragoo and I are the town results you found.The fact you are painting us as scum is simply incredible.
Pikanchion wrote:Ragian wrote:Well. I KNOW for a fact that there's a healer in my mix. TX had claimed healer before. I trust my investigation to be honest. But hey, I like my food better than other people's food, too.
Yes, but if we are to take chapcrap's word then four of the ten alive were bussed last night, the chance of none of your three having any overlap with the aforementioned four is only 16.7%. The fact that you can be sure at least one of those you did actually use your action on is a Healer also means little when there are potentially three healers (two claimed plus the passive) in the pool of ten players...
Pikanchion wrote:chapcrap can misdirect any number per night and the average number of players misdirected by bussing increases as the number of players remaining falls.
Ragian wrote:I think chap is scum.
vote chap
Ragian wrote:ZaBeast wrote:Ragian wrote:Blacky is not a healer. He would have said as much. Chap is not a healer. He would have said as much. TX must be the healer. Therefore - and I have the mod's word here - one of Blacky and Chap is scum. Moreover, TX is town.
In your initial claim you said you know how many scum there were between the 3 you targeted. How do you know TX is town and the scum is one of the other 2?
I asked how I were to interpret the wording of my role ability. Mod replied that since there was a healer in the mix, I investigated the two others (I presume this means the healer isn't scum, but I can't know), and between the two others, there is one scum.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
chapcrap wrote:Ragian wrote:First of all, I don't think that we'd have 5 scum when Tobi is a traitor. When I played that role, I had the opportunity to switch alignment. If that's the case here, 5 scum would be too much. However, that's just conjecture.
Well, chap, either you or blacky is scum. Only you two know which one it is and neither of you is voting for the other. I find that a bit weird. Unless, of course, you think I'm scum, but it seems that you haven't thought so throughout the game...
One: I've mentioned you being scummy before. I think it's very possible that you are scum. *shrug*
Two: Even if I 100% thought you were town, why does it have to be between me and blacky? Why can't TX be scum? Just because he's a healer? So, I go with my investigation over yours regardless. Beast covered this for meSkoffin wrote: Yeah, I am glad we lynched tobi since he was MAFIA. You are most welcome! Town traitor means he is a TRAITOR to the TOWN, traitor is ALWAYS a mafia-aligned role. So from your own damn perspective tovbi was the scum you found and ragoo and I are the town results you found.The fact you are painting us as scum is simply incredible.
I have asked about this multiple times and no one else has wanted to say that he would show up as scum.Pikanchion wrote:Ragian wrote:Well. I KNOW for a fact that there's a healer in my mix. TX had claimed healer before. I trust my investigation to be honest. But hey, I like my food better than other people's food, too.
Yes, but if we are to take chapcrap's word then four of the ten alive were bussed last night, the chance of none of your three having any overlap with the aforementioned four is only 16.7%. The fact that you can be sure at least one of those you did actually use your action on is a Healer also means little when there are potentially three healers (two claimed plus the passive) in the pool of ten players...
I only was able to bus 2. The 4 person bus was a one time use.Pikanchion wrote:chapcrap can misdirect any number per night and the average number of players misdirected by bussing increases as the number of players remaining falls.
This is not how my action works. I've said this multiple times. I was mistaken initially.Ragian wrote:I think chap is scum.
vote chap
Why? Me over blacky and TX?
Pikanchion wrote:You just came out and claimed the second you got any kind of result from your night action at all... Massclaims are a standard part of Mafia games, typically towards the end of the game, either when Town has enough information to force Scum into lying or when Town has run out of other options. If the Mafia really believe there's a super powerful unclaimed role there's already only 2-3 players it could be (not to mention there's already two claimed Doctors they could also be going for).
BuJaber wrote:Ragian is your night result that it there is ONLY 1 scum between them, or should we also consider that both could be scum?
Chap was already suspect to me from previous days. Blacky is because of inconsistincies with the poisoning and for jumping on skoffin when he should have known he got redirected.
Skoffin wrote:Just going to quickly add since I forgot llast night; I am not a passive healer nor a puffer fish like blacky thinks I am. Also going to tell you all this now before there is more confusion on it; my action last night caused all the chaos. It has pros and cons to it which put me off using it, but at the risk of a possible double kill I used it. Con is that EVERY action in the game gets randomised, both town and scum, pro is that NO night kills can happen.
Soprry not sorry see you after work
BuJaber wrote:Ragian is your night result that it there is ONLY 1 scum between them, or should we also consider that both could be scum?
Skoffin wrote:yeah no
ZaBeast wrote:And @skoff, do you think your action could have explained BuJ not dying in case he didn't end up being targeted by a healer?
If the majority of town is for a mass claim I'm fine with blacky claiming first
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