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ROME — Pope Francis said in an interview that Ukraine, facing defeat, should have the courage to negotiate an end to the war with Russia and not be ashamed to sit at the same table to carry out peace talks.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/1 ... r-00146147
saxitoxin wrote:Popery is anti-American. Endicott warned us in 1645 when he drove the Catholics out of Massachusetts (only for them to come sneaking back in 200 years later)."Look ye to it, brethren," resumed Endicott, with increasing energy. "If this king and this arch-prelate have their will, we shall briefly behold a cross on the spire of this tabernacle which we have builded, and a high altar within its walls, with wax tapers burning round it at noonday. We shall hear the sacring-bell, and the voices of the Romish priests saying the mass.
https://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/nh/erc.html
jusplay4fun wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Popery is anti-American. Endicott warned us in 1645 when he drove the Catholics out of Massachusetts (only for them to come sneaking back in 200 years later)."Look ye to it, brethren," resumed Endicott, with increasing energy. "If this king and this arch-prelate have their will, we shall briefly behold a cross on the spire of this tabernacle which we have builded, and a high altar within its walls, with wax tapers burning round it at noonday. We shall hear the sacring-bell, and the voices of the Romish priests saying the mass.
https://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/nh/erc.html
Endicott? This guy? wonderful human being
John Endecott (also spelled Endicott; before 1600 – 15 March 1664/1665),[1] regarded as one of the Fathers of New England,[2] was the longest-serving governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, which became the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. He served a total of 16 years, including most of the last 15 years of his life. When not serving as governor, he was involved in other elected and appointed positions from 1628 to 1665 except for the single year of 1634.
Endecott was a zealous and somewhat hotheaded Puritan, with Separatist attitudes toward the Anglican Church. This sometimes put him at odds with Nonconformist views that were dominant among the colony's early leaders, which became apparent when he gave shelter to the vocally Separatist Roger Williams. Endecott also argued that women should dress modestly and that men should keep their hair short, and issued judicial decisions banishing individuals who held religious views that did not accord well with those of the Puritans. He notoriously defaced the English flag because he saw St George's Cross as a symbol of the papacy, and had four Quakers put to death for returning to the colony after their banishment. An expedition he led in 1636 is considered the opening offensive in the Pequot War, which practically destroyed the Pequot tribe as an entity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Endecott
And generally, the Puritans of Massachusetts were very intolerant of ANYONE who was not a Puritan in his/her religious views at this time.
jusplay4fun wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Popery is anti-American. Endicott warned us in 1645 when he drove the Catholics out of Massachusetts (only for them to come sneaking back in 200 years later)."Look ye to it, brethren," resumed Endicott, with increasing energy. "If this king and this arch-prelate have their will, we shall briefly behold a cross on the spire of this tabernacle which we have builded, and a high altar within its walls, with wax tapers burning round it at noonday. We shall hear the sacring-bell, and the voices of the Romish priests saying the mass.
https://www.ibiblio.org/eldritch/nh/erc.html
Endicott? This guy? wonderful human being
John Endecott (also spelled Endicott; before 1600 – 15 March 1664/1665),[1] regarded as one of the Fathers of New England,[2] was the longest-serving governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, which became the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. He served a total of 16 years, including most of the last 15 years of his life. When not serving as governor, he was involved in other elected and appointed positions from 1628 to 1665 except for the single year of 1634.
Endecott was a zealous and somewhat hotheaded Puritan, with Separatist attitudes toward the Anglican Church. This sometimes put him at odds with Nonconformist views that were dominant among the colony's early leaders, which became apparent when he gave shelter to the vocally Separatist Roger Williams. Endecott also argued that women should dress modestly and that men should keep their hair short, and issued judicial decisions banishing individuals who held religious views that did not accord well with those of the Puritans. He notoriously defaced the English flag because he saw St George's Cross as a symbol of the papacy, and had four Quakers put to death for returning to the colony after their banishment. An expedition he led in 1636 is considered the opening offensive in the Pequot War, which practically destroyed the Pequot tribe as an entity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Endecott
And generally, the Puritans of Massachusetts were very intolerant of ANYONE who was not a Puritan in his/her religious views at this time.
bigtoughralf wrote:Sounds like the average founding father to me. No wonder it took the US more than 200 years of existing before it would allow black people to get on the same bus as white people.
saxitoxin wrote:It's "Muslim," not "Moslem," unless you're typing from the year 1887.
This country was founded on a Protestant ethic and - within Protestantism - a Congregationalist ethic. Massachusetts was the first colony and the genesis of the Revolution. It was founded as the world's only Congregationalist theocracy and that is the only historical context in which the revolutionary philosophy can be studied or understood. Not a single member of the Mayflower or Winthrop fleets was a Papist. Popery is fundamentally alien and foreign to America.
jusplay4fun wrote:Virginia
Martin Luther and the Trinitylocked
Christoph Schwöbel
https://doi.org/10.1093/acrefore/9780199340378.013.326
Published online: 29 March 2017
Summary
Luther’s theology of the Trinity is firmly rooted in the catholic tradition of the church. In scholarly debate, it has therefore not received the same attention as the doctrines usually associated with the distinctive profile of the teaching of the Reformation, like the doctrine of justification by faith alone. The intrinsic connection between Luther’s catholic theology of the Trinity and the distinctive emphases of Reformation theology has consequently often been overlooked. Luther was reasonably well acquainted with the medieval debate and could occasionally, as in the late disputations, directly comment upon them, if the distinctions served to clarify his view of the place of Trinitarian teaching in the church.
The most interesting question with regard to Luther’s doctrine of the Trinity is not which influences can be traced in his Trinitarian thought but how he developed the status of Trinitarian discourse in Christian faith and how he applied it in his treatment of other theological issues.
jusplay4fun wrote:Or perhaps saxi is merely anti-Catholic
saxitoxin wrote:I don't necessarily want Ukraine obliterated, I just want:(a) All areas of Ukraine that want to be part of Russia be part of Russia (say what you want about the Crimean or Donbasi referendums, they might have been rigged, but no one legitimately can claim the Donbasis or Crimeans want to be part of Ukraine),
(b) Ukraine exist peacefully adjacent to Russia (due to NATO's aggressive stance regarding expansion and Ukraine's tendency to periodically lob artillery shells into the Donbas over the last ten years, unfortunately, a mere statement of peaceful coexistence isn't a sufficient guarantee anymore - the only sufficient guarantee will have to be accompanied by the pastoralization and demilitarization of the rump Ukraine state and the installation of a cooperative government)
jusplay4fun wrote:saxitoxin wrote:It's "Muslim," not "Moslem," unless you're typing from the year 1887.
This country was founded on a Protestant ethic and - within Protestantism - a Congregationalist ethic. Massachusetts was the first colony and the genesis of the Revolution. It was founded as the world's only Congregationalist theocracy and that is the only historical context in which the revolutionary philosophy can be studied or understood. Not a single member of the Mayflower or Winthrop fleets was a Papist. Popery is fundamentally alien and foreign to America.
And what are your pronouns, saxi? Okay, Muslim it is, MY BAD.
saxi, you want to focus on Massachusetts, founded in 1620, essentially as the Plymouth Colony (Pilgrims and the Mayflower), by Puritans. saxi forgets about my State (Commonwealth) of Virginia, founded EARLIER in 1607, Jamestown. It seems that saxi wants to ignore key elements of History, like his PAL ralph.
You also ignore MD, PA, and RI (as well as other colonies that help establish the United States of America. Get with it, saxi. Should I even mention the election of JFK in 1960?
Ukraine’s parliament voted overwhelmingly Thursday to advance legislation seen as effectively banning the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-parl ... 2f86517df4
Tens of thousands of Ukrainian men have fled trying to avoid conscription, fleeing what they account as an unwinnable war.
Ukraine’s military leaders say they need as many as 500,000 more soldiers to relieve exhausted troops and replace the tens of thousands killed and injured on the front line.
https://www.cbc.ca/newsinteractives/fea ... -the-draft
saxitoxin wrote:jusplay4fun wrote:Or perhaps saxi is merely anti-Catholic
After everything I just wrote and you're only at "perhaps'?
jusplay4fun wrote:The USA was founded on religious FREEDOM,
jusplay4fun wrote:Maryland was founded as a refuge for Catholics,
jusplay4fun wrote:Massachusetts, as a refuge for what was called the Puritans (or Pilgrims).
jusplay4fun wrote:PA became so for Quakers (Friends of Jesus)
jusplay4fun wrote:One part of the religious freedom was that the dominant group wanted religious freedom for themselves, but not for others.
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