[Official] Canada REVAMP [Quenched]

[reverend_kyle]

well the font was fixed before the competition and sent to keyogi I don't know why he didn't change that one, but yeah I think it would have been better as I didn't realize how light mine was until it was put next to widowmakers super dark map.

[t.e.c]

I completely agree. Widowmakers, I dig most of your maps. But this one...I can't really find anything positive to say except the font is nice.

i second this.

[casper]

btw I meant the CANADA font, Century Gothic.

[edbeard]

i just find it stupid since there's only one maple leaf in the title replacing an A why are the other 2 As not replaced? usually when you do a replacement like that you do it on all the letters that are the same.

to me I think it would look quite overdone and silly with all of them being leafs. Also, it is the middle A so if any of them are going to be different it think it fits. But, I guess giving it a go couldn't hurt though (which widow may have done already).

[reverend_kyle]

I think it should be CAN(leaf)ADA


3 letters on each side and a maple leaf in the middle.

[hulmey]

All these complaints,,,How the hell did this map get 40 odd votes?? Personally i think the Canada has been raped and its gonna be a dark day for CC when its replaced with WM's map

[DiM]

All these complaints,,,How the hell did this map get 40 odd votes?? Personally i think the Canada has been raped and its gonna be a dark day for CC when its replaced with WM's map

i think this earlier post of mine pretty much explains how it got the votes:

the whole revamp thing is for graphics only and since graphics are the most important here i think it's safe to say the first impression is really important. most people will cast their vote after a 30 second glance over the maps very few stay and watch carefully each map and then decide.

let's take a quick glance:
A: too much red
B: too shiny in the center
C: too white
D: too dark
E: is the water frozen? too bright
F: too spacy
wooo a shiny water alien map i'll vote for that.

oh crap it's not in the poll. oh well i'll vote for the google earth thingy cause it looks cool.

i'm willing to bet an arm and a leg that if wm mock map would have been added in the poll it would have amassed more votes than all other maps put together.

now let's take a better look:

A: yes it has a lot of red by that can be solve with 2 clicks. the beaver and coin could be removed and the text tweaked. but look at those nice maple leaves. smart thinking. overall a nice crisp touch
B: global lighting could use a reposition or a dampening and the title and legend should be repositioned. but i love the nice touch and especially the gorgeous mountains
C: perhaps a more pastelated chart of color could help this map. love the elevation chart and the representation. nifty idea.
D: the darkness is really cool. looks grungy. but it could use a bit of a gradient feel to it. perhaps it's a bit too strong. keep the feel but make it less.
E: too bright looking. perhaps darkening the water a bit would look better. and the mountains could use some tweaking as they seem to be the focal point of the map because of the contrast. love the title. nice gimmick
F: the borders are too blurry and in many places they aren't true to the background image. and the mountain pass simply scratches the eye. also while adding the maple leaf in the title might seem nice it actually isn't why only the second A is a leaf? why not all? it actually makes you read it as canOda. but look at how cool the earth looks. it makes you really see how big canada is. very nice.

[MR. Nate]

really? That's your defense for the fact that you don't like the map that won? "People just voted without paying much attention"? It couldn't possibly that a lot of people actually think it's the best map? There are a select few, (presumably who voted against it) who are highly critical. The people who like it don't even have to defend it: IT WON! Meaning, it's the map the people wanted more than any of the other options. Therefore, it receives the honor of going on.

Perhaps the old, dictatorial style of the mods simply telling the foundry who was going to do the revamps was better?

[AndyDufresne]

really? That's your defense for the fact that you don't like the map that won? "People just voted without paying much attention"? It couldn't possibly that a lot of people actually think it's the best map? There are a select few, (presumably who voted against it) who are highly critical. The people who like it don't even have to defend it: IT WON! Meaning, it's the map the people wanted more than any of the other options. Therefore, it receives the honor of going on.

Perhaps the old, dictatorial style of the mods simply telling the foundry who was going to do the revamps was better?

I don't think having me, or any of the C.A.'s choosing someone to do the REVAMP, would go over well. With the various questions about favoring, that's something we'd like to avoid. I think the current method, of anonymously submitting maps for votes, is currently the best system.

Now, onto the map at hand. The map is quite a change, when compared to the original map. I, myself, didn't vote for WM's map, but I can surely see why it won. I think it has a lot of potential, and we know WM can usually sculpt something most everyone can like.

Regarding the map specifically, I like the title. I remember someone mentioning why is only the middle 'A' a leaf? I think it may be because of the relative centrality of it...it's nearly in the center of the map, a central focusing point. It also adds a nice symbol to map, as it is the Maple Leaf.

As for the use of the satellite, this version, to me, feels different than the San Francisco version. And the perspective angle is something I like.

It has some work to be done, but I think with the Foundry's input, we can craft a great REVAMP.


--Andy

[Coleman]

It has some work to be done, but I think with the Foundry's input, we can craft a great REVAMP.

To elaborate, just dropping by and saying you think the map sucks and taking off may be leaving input, but it isn't very constructive. There isn't a lot WidowMakers can do with that sort of input other then say, "Uh... Sorry?"

It would help everybody if you could drop by and write "I don't like the map right now because..." and then listing some things, and it would make it easier for WidowMakers to address the issues, whatever they may be. Assuming, of course, we are all here to make sure the new Canada version is something we all can like and not to just complain about who the majority preferred.

For my own feedback, I like the graphical overlay, but I do not like the transparency of it. I'd be happier if it was just completely colored in, or if the transparency was decreased. You'd still keep the cool looking down on it from space aspect, but it would be more abstract and less literal, which I would prefer. Granted, this would be a complete style change, but if you wanted to consider it I'd love to see it that way. If that didn't make any sense I could try to clarify, but I'm hoping that it did.

[The Fuzzy Pengui]

I for one envy WM....I wanted to do some type of satellite image map for my Brazil revamp, but couldn't find any good images to use
Excellent job on another map, and I can't wait to see what it turns out to be

[WidowMakers]

I for one envy WM....I wanted to do some type of satellite image map for my Brazil revamp, but couldn't find any good images to use
Excellent job on another map, and I can't wait to see what it turns out to be

Here is what I used.
http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/

As for the map. I am basically starting over.

I need to get the map to be sharper and that is my first priority. Once I get that done I will then work on the shadows and texturing.

As far as the territory style, I am up for trying several different types. Realistic or more abstract, we shall see. I want to get my basic background setup first now.

[sully800]

I for one like the map a lot and I'm very excited to see where it goes from here. Keep in mind that this is no final forge, and WM is prepared to improve it (some things, like the army shadows are in pretty obvious need of help).

But to say that this map is not artistic is absurd to me. Just look at that title! And the way the glow from the sun and moon affect the map image....and the ambiance around the earth is very appealing as well.

[Keredrex]

As for the map. I am basically starting over.

I need to get the map to be sharper and that is my first priority. Once I get that done I will then work on the shadows and texturing.

HOLD ON A SEC.... I thought The Voting Was for The Map that has the potential to Improve .... NOT BE REDONE..... If thats the case and we get something Completely Different....

As far as the territory style, I am up for trying several different types. Realistic or more abstract, we shall see. I want to get my basic background setup first now.

....What was the Point!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong I do like the map but I expect Canada to end up very close to what the Club voted for

[edbeard]

I'm pretty sure he's redoing it in the same style just to be sharper and cleaner. That seemed evident to me from his post.

It's probably better to wait and see the image he posts before getting worked up about it.

[Kaplowitz]

C) Like It... Probably one of the closest to a real Map as far as topography and Elevation... Font needs to change... Legend needs Work... the black border lines are too heavy...
I think the 4 way border was handled nicely and stays true to actual border lines... And the Blizzard Representing the Impassable Is awesome... but he needs to add an Impassable by Fort 7

lol, its funny how you critiqued your own. It worked though, i didnt think it was yours.

[Keredrex]

lol, its funny how you critiqued your own. It worked though, i didnt think it was yours.

I try to be Fair when criticizing all the entries.. Of course i voted for my own but i did want B or F ( Widows ) to take it if I lost. I had my own problems with my map.. it was rushed at the end

[WidowMakers]

I'm pretty sure he's redoing it in the same style just to be sharper and cleaner. That seemed evident to me from his post.

It's probably better to wait and see the image he posts before getting worked up about it.

That is correct. I am redoing the map, but the same way.

People seem to think the map was too blurry. I want to find better images and then redo my map just tighten it up.

Then once the basic map is done we can all discuss the territory colors and border styles/issues.

But I am not changing the feel/style to differ from my entry.

WM

[hulmey]

i think these revamps need to be monitored better. WM no offence but i think a revamp should keep to the same style as it originally had. As it is you could have a made the same map and we would then have 2 compeletly different Canada maps!! I used to play the Canada map but now i dont like it one bit. Sorry but ive been robbed

[Coleman]

There are currently no rules preventing what WidowMakers is doing, and if the new map is drastically different then he can be forced to go back to improving the older one.

So many people were complaining about it that he felt this was the right direction. I support his decision but will reserve final judgment until I see the new draft.

[WidowMakers]

I don't know what everyone is talking about. I am making this map.



All I said was that I was going to find better, more clear images and rework the territory borders (thickness, style, color, opacity, etc).

I AM NOT CHANGING THE THEME OF MY REVAMP!
It will look like this only it will have the fixes suggested in previous posts.

Does anyone have any other questions?

[hulmey]

Maybe your not understanding me. What is a RE-Vamp? Im sure we are all intelligent men!!

This is more than a Revamp its a compeletly different style altogether. If you put the old map and the new map side by side you wouldnt even recognize they are from the same area.

Maybe tighter rules have to be enforced regarding ReVamps??

Please dont get me wrong there is room for this map but i think the present Canada map should be revamped in hte same style. Like you did with inchondia and keyogi did with the Middle East!!

[Wisse]

Maybe your not understanding me. What is a RE-Vamp? Im sure we are all intelligent men!!

This is more than a Revamp its a compeletly different style altogether. If you put the old map and the new map side by side you wouldnt even recognize they are from the same area.

Maybe tighter rules have to be enforced regarding ReVamps??

Please dont get me wrong there is room for this map but i think the present Canada map should be revamped in hte same style. Like you did with inchondia and keyogi did with the Middle East!!

maybe you don't get it, a revamp is something that does change the graphics and does (nearly) not change the gameplay

[WidowMakers]

Maybe your not understanding me. What is a RE-Vamp? Im sure we are all intelligent men!!

This is more than a Revamp its a compeletly different style altogether. If you put the old map and the new map side by side you wouldnt even recognize they are from the same area.

Maybe tighter rules have to be enforced regarding ReVamps??

Please dont get me wrong there is room for this map but i think the present Canada map should be revamped in hte same style. Like you did with inchondia and keyogi did with the Middle East!!

Circus Maximus was a revamp and it looks completely different.

And as Wisse said above, the only restrictions on revamps (currently) is gameplay , names, and bonuses)

WM

[Coleman]

the only restrictions on revamps (currently) is gameplay , names, and bonuses)

And even all those can be changed with the original cartographer's permission.