The Hobbit Mafia [Town win]

[DirtyDishSoap]

I wasn't fishing a claim, you poolicker You are a die hard D1 no lyncher. Show me the magic.

Eh?! Whatchu say to me, peon?!

I have no magic to show. No information to give. Leave me alone, I'm working with what I have.

[Skoffin]

Eh as I said, practically every post I've made has been accused of being scummy (or for being too quiet) so I'm just going to try and be active and contribute regardless of how I sound.

That's the fighting spirit! That is essentially what I do and somehow I still manage to live despite scummy sounding.

Calm down Piku; you were a newb not long ago In fact, barely posting was your mantra not that long ago; what happened? Why the change? Why are you So vocal and aggressive now? ARE YOU SCUM?!

I wasn't fishing a claim, you poolicker You are a die hard D1 no lyncher. Show me the magic.

Eh?! Whatchu say to me, peon?!

I have no magic to show. No information to give. Leave me alone, I'm working with what I have.

[MudPuppy]

No talking during the night Thor, BuJaber, KJ, Ragian, & ZaBeast. That's a full third of the present party breaking the rules.

Not really looking for an answer as to why (I assume everyone got their night actions in and LV wasn't waiting for anyone in that regard) but it seems odd D2 would start after only 27 hours (vs. "Night 1 will last 72 hours") when IcePack's replacement has not yet been found. We've already got 5 votes cast and not everyone has joined the party.

Wondering if lack of a night kill may be an indication of cult presence? Did the owner of the One Ring (not that the ring can truly be owned) successfully convert an unsuspecting Townie over to the dark side (yeah, I know it's the wrong movie... but you get what I'm saying)?

Anyway, none of this "it's another D1" nonsense... it's D2 and we need to string someone up.

[Pikanchion]

Sure, constructed criticism is fine, but the argument is faulty. You have Flores and Hotshot who's participation is at best, low. You have Thor being Thor and Mitch being Mitch. The issue you're having is that you don't know the player and can't have an opinion about him because he's new, whereas, by now, you're use to the latter.

I disagree, to use your examples:

-FloresDelMal has posted infrequently but always tries to post in-depth when returning and gives reasoned arguments, most of which I've agreed with this game, sure activity could be higher but this is at least broadly acceptable, so I don't really see how me not pressing her was influenced by meta

-Hotshot53 on the other hand is posting just as infrequently but rarely returns to say more than a line or two, and so I voted for them, if dakky21 hadn't jump-started todays discussion with role-fishing bait I might still be pressuring them right now, but until they post again (depending on what they say) or we have a deadline for the day there's no rush

-Thorthoth being Thorthoth is hardly a meta-analysis I could make if I wanted to after just one game together, and with them playing at least somewhat differently to the previous game where they were scum surely I would not have pressured them if I were to go off of the meta?

-madmitch being madmitch I would actually consider quite unfair to madmitch, he has been making far more reasoned posts than some previous games we've played together and certainly seems less prone to jump from bandwagon to bandwagon, and the only meta I really know of madmitch is the always-soft-claims-day-one-unless-scum thing that has been pointed out so often now I doubt it's still true

Meta observations have their place, but to say it's necessary to rely on them or that you cannot make posts without doing so is just not the case.

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Speaking of, are we ever going to find out your mysterious information from Day 1? Or is that still 'too sensitive'?

If I die (especially if I am the first to do so) please refer back to the latter part of this post and think about the information my death hopefully reveals in relation. Otherwise I have a second binary yes/no question I would like to ask and perhaps would have felt more comfortable doing so should the previously alluded to event not occured during day 1, but should others die before me I will hopefully get my answer and be able to fully explain myself.

[Pikanchion]

Calm down Piku; you were a newb not long ago ;) In fact, barely posting was your mantra not that long ago; what happened? Why the change? Why are you So vocal and aggressive now? ARE YOU SCUM?!

But when I was barely posting in Lion King Mafia I was scum, ergo my posting a lot here means I cannot possibly be scum, amirite?

Wondering if lack of a night kill may be an indication of cult presence? Did the owner of the One Ring (not that the ring can truly be owned) successfully convert an unsuspecting Townie over to the dark side (yeah, I know it's the wrong movie... but you get what I'm saying)?

Thorin's Company has yet to even leave The Shire though... Perhaps if The Ring had an automatic first night action of targetting Gollum but...

Anyway, a game with a cult that has no real implicit or explicit cult aspects made apparent before the fact is generally considered a Bastard Mod game, which is generally bad practice and so I highly doubt it.

[Pikanchion]

Perhaps if The Ring had an automatic first night action of targetting Gollum but...

(and it's not exactly like Gollum became all buddy-buddy with others who gained possession of the ring either)

[Kamikaze Jawa]

No talking during the night Thor, BuJaber, KJ, Ragian, & ZaBeast. That's a full third of the present party breaking the rules.

Apologies, I wasn't fully aware and responded to BuJ's post seeming to insinuate that I was somehow solely responsible for the no lynch occurrence.

[Kamikaze Jawa]

Meta observations have their place, but to say it's necessary to rely on them or that you cannot make posts without doing so is just not the case.

Oh I'm not saying that I can't form an opinion without metagaming, I'm just pointing out that most of the suspicions thus far have been reliant on metagaming. Therefore I have been at somewhat of a disadvantage compared to you dear folk.

[DirtyDishSoap]

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Let me break this down a bit further, afterwards, I'll continue eyeballing Dakky/Beast.

-Flores & Hotshot: Now you haven't voted for either, but let me be clear here, both would fall under the lurking/scummaring. Flores has substance, but does it excuse one over the other? Either both of them are okay, or both of them aren't, can't just excuse one over the other because one weighs in with a more validated opinion. Kind of the whole point of lurking to begin with. Appear to look active and not arouse suspicion.

-Thor & Mitch: It really isn't unfair. Thor, you had your concerns and rightfully so. He does have his meta game though with the noob card and I brought that up in the past. I still had my suspicions about him up until the soft claim and the mod announcement. It's a poor player move, but whatever. As for Mitch, Mitch always has that "follow someone", sort of deal with no opinions to give and always asks for direction without taking initiative, or when he does take initiative, it's misplaced badly. It's been the same in the past as is right now. (Sorry Mitch).

Those 4 mentioned have their metas. Flores wasn't wholly active in Lion King either, but has followed the same exact pattern here compared to then.
Hotshot has been doing the exact same thing in all of the games I've played with him.
Thor, despite this being his 2nd game, has developed a pattern. It's just a very scummy one.
Mitch has his method of madness. Which is why I say Mitch is just Mitch.

Kami on the other hand, has no meta to speak of. We don't know his pattern or his method of playing. Despite this whole argument anyways, we're not getting anywhere with it. Let's instead focus on the now with Dakky.

[ZaBeast]

I think BuJ may have made a slip last night. He pmed me and said something about being godfather and asking who we should kill <--- this part is a joke, and if you need me to tell me that, you should feel bad.
But seriously, he did say he thought the one with the most votes would be lynched. Now, with the deadline coming near, he should have know his case on MudPuppy wasn't going to gain much traction. Therefore, he should have thought the only three likely outcomes would have been
1- HotShot gets lynched
2- MM gets lynched
3- No votes option has more votes and no one gets lynched/there is a tie for most votes
In his situation, what would you rather do? Vote for the option of the three you're the most confortable with, obviously. If he knows that one of them is scum (and therefore is scum himself), he would obviously vote for one of them, either the scum one to gain town cred, or the townie one to prevent the lynch on the scum. If both are townies, then he wouldn't care who gets lynched, as long as there is a lynch. That brings back his MudPuppy argument who basically said MudPuppy wanted to back down on the thor's case because he knew both MM and thor were town and could point the fingers at the lynchers of any of these two. Now, what if that's the case with BuJ instead?
Let's pretend he knows HotShot and MM are town. His vote on MudPuppy makes sense then, since it makes the lynch of a townie more likely than voting no-lynch, and he can avoid drawing criticism because he didn't vote for said lynchee. I know it's not much, but I'll Vote BuJaber. dakky's role fishing is a strong choice too though.
And about the no-kill, scum who chose to send the kill from what I heard, so it couldn't be from the fact there still is one player missing right? Not to say he can't be scum, mind you. I'd expect the night to have lasted longer if the scum kill was missing.

Anyway, a game with a cult that has no real implicit or explicit cult aspects made apparent before the fact is generally considered a Bastard Mod game, which is generally bad practice and so I highly doubt it.

We have a nazi mod when it comes to vote counts, so why not?

[ZaBeast]

And about the no-kill, scum whochose to send the kill from what I heard, so it couldn't be from the fact there still is one player missing right? Not to say he can't be scum, mind you. I'd expect the night to have lasted longer if the scum kill was missing.

ebwop

[FloresDelMal]

woah, i am torn about today, for once i am glad that we all made it through the night, but on the other hand i am a bit dissapointed that no new information was gained, oh well such is life, still KUDOS to whoever we have to thank our unusually high survival rate ^^ that being said

FOS Dakky and FOS Ragian for pushing for an unwarranted claim, in my book this is a huge no no, just as evil as pushing for no lynch.

I did FOSed for the same reason Pika and Thor for the same reason on D1 (pika wanting to out who the dwarves were, and thor advocating for massclaim while claiming VT himself for no good reason at all) which is why it seems ironic to me that they are both voting without hesitation dakky for doing pretty much the same thing while disregarding ragian, i could like to learn more about the reasoning behind this choice.

On D1 my money was on MM, but i got swept by the herd mentality and the fear of split the votes and switched to hotshot but things turned out with no lynch anyway, this time ill do good on my word and i will go ahead and Vote MM because nothing has happened that clears him of my suspiscion yet, he still has to post anything of substance, he still fails to antagonize someone, this on the bench attitude is the same he had as scum on the lion king, i dont know about mass effect, true, hotshot might be guilty of the same thing, but i cant vote for 2 persons at once and ill go with my gut, still FOS hotshot

btw i am switching to a larger font from now on when i make my votes because i still dont get it why 2 out of 3 times my votes are disregarded not only by the mod on the vote counts, but by the players themselves who somehow seems to beliave that i dont vote, and honestly i am starting to feel discriminated, should i switch to post in technicolour as skoff in order to have my opinion taken in account? type all on caps? seriously

No talking during the night Thor, BuJaber, KJ, Ragian, & ZaBeast. That's a full third of the present party breaking the rules.

Not really looking for an answer as to why (I assume everyone got their night actions in and LV wasn't waiting for anyone in that regard) but it seems odd D2 would start after only 27 hours (vs. "Night 1 will last 72 hours") when IcePack's replacement has not yet been found. We've already got 5 votes cast and not everyone has joined the party.

Wondering if lack of a night kill may be an indication of cult presence? Did the owner of the One Ring (not that the ring can truly be owned) successfully convert an unsuspecting Townie over to the dark side (yeah, I know it's the wrong movie... but you get what I'm saying)?

Anyway, none of this "it's another D1" nonsense... it's D2 and we need to string someone up.

QFT i do agree that there is no justification for players breaing such a simple and long standing rule as "no talking during the night" shame on you guys, and i also find a strange but in a good way how quickly the night went by, i for once was gladly surprised to see how fast D2 arrived, so kudos to everyone who sent their night actions promptly, way to go ^^

Now about the lack of blood spilling on this short short night you might be into something with this cult theory, thought i am reluctant to beliave it, and even more reluctant at pointing fingers at who the hypotethic recruiter might be, because i have not seen tells of such thing ATM, it might have been a thing of the doc getting lucky, or maybe that even thought it seems to me really really unlikely, thor managed to attract both the protection and the kill attempt, but that seems overly optimist to me, i think we might have an skilled busdriver at play, but i am not sure how a busdriver could fit on the theme, maybe gandalf? even thought i always saw him as more of a JOAT.

-FloresDelMal has posted infrequently but always tries to post in-depth when returning and gives reasoned arguments, most of which I've agreed with this game, sure activity could be higher but this is at least broadly acceptable, so I don't really see how me not pressing her was influenced by meta

-Hotshot53 on the other hand is posting just as infrequently but rarely returns to say more than a line or two, and so I voted for them, if dakky21 hadn't jump-started todays discussion with role-fishing bait I might still be pressuring them right now, but until they post again (depending on what they say) or we have a deadline for the day there's no rush

-Thorthoth being Thorthoth is hardly a meta-analysis I could make if I wanted to after just one game together, and with them playing at least somewhat differently to the previous game where they were scum surely I would not have pressured them if I were to go off of the meta?

-madmitch being madmitch I would actually consider quite unfair to madmitch, he has been making far more reasoned posts than some previous games we've played together and certainly seems less prone to jump from bandwagon to bandwagon, and the only meta I really know of madmitch is the always-soft-claims-day-one-unless-scum thing that has been pointed out so often now I doubt it's still true

Meta observations have their place, but to say it's necessary to rely on them or that you cannot make posts without doing so is just not the case.

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Speaking of, are we ever going to find out your mysterious information from Day 1? Or is that still 'too sensitive'?

If I die (especially if I am the first to do so) please refer back to the latter part of this post and think about the information my death hopefully reveals in relation. Otherwise I have a second binary yes/no question I would like to ask and perhaps would have felt more comfortable doing so should the previously alluded to event not occured during day 1, but should others die before me I will hopefully get my answer and be able to fully explain myself.

QFT i agree with your analysis, hotshot still ranks high on my scum list, and thor was only absolved because of the mod intervention, about mitch i do agree he has shown a lot of progress in his gameplay, last time i played with him i face palmed my self so hard that i think my nose got flatter, i welcome and encourage this change on the right direction, i do beliave there is still room for progress, but as of now i am super happy and grateful for such change ^^

Now about yourself mr pika, thanks for noticing my effort, i am really doing my best here, i might not be the best player in town but i never skim and i try to make my posts matter at the risk of getting lenghtly, but oh well, glad there is someone out there actually reading me ^^ and please do not rush to your death, i am pretty sure there are cases we can build without throwing likely townies under the bus atm

-Flores & Hotshot: Now you haven't voted for either, but let me be clear here, both would fall under the lurking/scummaring. Flores has substance, but does it excuse one over the other? Either both of them are okay, or both of them aren't, can't just excuse one over the other because one weighs in with a more validated opinion. Kind of the whole point of lurking to begin with. Appear to look active and not arouse suspicion.Those 4 mentioned have their metas.

i am kinda offended here, is it really the same as scummarining making longer posts adressing every issue that seems of importance to me, than throwing around a couple of meatless two liners? if that is all it takes then i am obviously playing this game wrong, i dont know what kind of lifestyle you all guys have, you might be students, programmers, or just hyper connected ppl with the money to get the gadget of choice, which is great for you, but i am not the kind of person who carries or even posses an smartphone with 3G who can react to whatever someone post in real time, nor can i afford to sit in front of my screen 10 hours by day for react promptly because life you know, now if you all ppl bothered by me doing my reading in one seating and posting in the same fashion whenever i find the time for do so could like to buy me an smartphone and sponsor my 3G i will gladly accept and commit to be more active, and make tons of cute little posts promptly, could you please make the said smartphone one with at least 13mp, i could like to be able to take pics too

[DirtyDishSoap]

Fair point. I don't do much at work, and I don't check this at home. So I practically have 8 hours to sit and stare at my screen and melt my brain away. Sorry, still luvs you though. <3

[FloresDelMal]

Fair point. I don't do much at work, and I don't check this at home. So I practically have 8 hours to sit and stare at my screen and melt my brain away. Sorry, still luvs you though. <3

nah still love you too heh, but seriously, if anyone feeling annoyed by my posting pattern have a decent phone sleeping in a desk drawer because he or she just got the latest iphone or what not i dont mind handme downs, my phone is shit, my comp is falling apart and i am a latin girl with a big family, handme downs are pretty much a tradition for us, i am pretty sure my youngest niece still wore my Alf t-shirt, the same my cousins and siblings wore before her, and i am pretty sure 1 third of my wardrove comes from my nona and aunts

[Skoffin]

Flores, you give actual reasons for suspecting other players of being scum yet you still default back to MM due to 'he was quiet D1' which people only went with because they had nothing else to go on.
How is that case better then the others? How is that more worthwhile than dakky or hotshot? Are you just diverting attention away from them while still looking like you suspect them? I still find it quite weird the manner in which people have avoided targeting hotshot; both masket and hotshot were initially suspected for similar reasons and yet masket is some 'solid case' while hotshot is not, people were all desperate to vote to ensure a lynch on masket but suddenly no one is keen on voting when hotshot is prime target (Buj even changed his vote entirely to someone with no votes less than a day before deadline), hotshot AND dakky has been found suspicious by a few but been excused with "that is how they roll" yet that is not applicable to anyone else. I get the distinct impression that scum are diverting lynches from certain people while trying to push towards some of the more skilled players here.

[FloresDelMal]

Flores, you give actual reasons for suspecting other players of being scum yet you still default back to MM due to 'he was quiet D1' which people only went with because they had nothing else to go on.
How is that case better then the others? How is that more worthwhile than dakky or hotshot? Are you just diverting attention away from them while still looking like you suspect them? I still find it quite weird the manner in which people have avoided targeting hotshot; both masket and hotshot were initially suspected for similar reasons and yet masket is some 'solid case' while hotshot is not, people were all desperate to vote to ensure a lynch on masket but suddenly no one is keen on voting when hotshot is prime target (Buj even changed his vote entirely to someone with no votes less than a day before deadline), hotshot AND dakky has been found suspicious by a few but been excused with "that is how they roll" yet that is not applicable to anyone else. I get the distinct impression that scum are diverting lynches from certain people while trying to push towards some of the more skilled players here.

skoff you are so shady, first you said i was unlikely to appear before the deadline, when it was you who told Ga7 to inform me of my prod, and then this when i actually went with your BW? tsk tsk, gurl, you are shadier than a palm tree:

Your long rambling post at the top was just thoughts that pretty much everyone thinks through, but just don't waste time writing them down. In the end that speech didn't really conclude much.

I'll ask you the same thing I ask Ragian; if Masket is playing D1 here the same way that he has played D1 in other games as town, on what basis do you determine his actions are scummy? Masket may not contribute much now but he always ends up contributing plenty in later days. On the other hand Hotshot has not contributed D1 and he is notorious for not contributing in general. So why Masket over Hotshot? I'm starting to get the sense that people are avoiding the hotshot possibility entirely and I'm starting to wonder why.

Honestly i am still suspiscious of MM and since i havent played in literally years i can only use lion king as my reference, but if you are defending him that hard it could be interesting if someone could investigate you or see how this plays later on, and i dont remember at all hotshot playing style, if you say that he is often unhelpful i will take your word for it, and i will consider MM seriously for day 2 candidacy if nothing better comes along, but right now i don't want to split the votes and risk learning nothing, so ill go ahead and Unvote Vote Hotshot and cross my fingers that we will get it right.

People are leaving the MM train. Is it because MM has gone completely silent? Is it because his lack of contribution? It reeks if nothing else. Skoffin's violent defence is noted too.

No it's because it was a baseless bandwagon to begin with. Frankly I'm surprised it got to 6. Then again I've come back from an 8 vote one before (a more deserved one that time) so it wasn't like I was even close to claiming.
Skoffin hasn't been the only one defending me but she's definitely been the most....vitriolic about it? I'm almost tempted to say it resembles a 'non-town buddying up to a town player early on' tactic, but considering the weak arguments against me, could just as easily be a sensible town player too.

2 or 3 other suspicious players I'm tempted to turn my vote to, but need to re-read.

even though i am not sold on your towniness, i did make the same point on skoff and that's why i said it could be interesting to keep this in mind, and i could like to get an investigation on her (of course if she happens to be town there is no need to out yourself as the investigator, in fact even if she is scum, there is no much need either if you can just build a solid case, it's never a good idea to out oneself if not absolutely necessary)

care to explain why are you so reactive to any questioning thrown at MM, is he your godfather? with that being said i am off to walk my dogs, and do my dishes because there is no one else to do it

[BuJaber]

First of all my apologies for the last couple days in day 1. I was really thrown by the sudden deadline, I got all up in my own head to try and salvage a lynch target and probably made a huge mess of things. Also I didn't bother to re-read some key posts like the rules and Flores' posts to confirm if he was voting or not. Yes, if I could do it over again the correct move was voting hotshot.

Also no offence LV but you are making a lot of small mistakes with the vote counts.
Either that or people are not paying attention to unvoting/bolding/ and voting in green. It doesn't matter now exactly how accurate each vote count was in day 1 so I won't go and count them all. Just everyone please be extra careful.

DDS : It's good that you and Pika are taking opposite sides on KJ because you kinda cancel each other out and then we can get a more neutral perspective. One thing you are wrong about though is that KJ IS showing a meta. It is not a complex one nor a particularly established one as it's only been a few days since he's played with us but he's 1) overly defensive (for example I wasn't blaming you for no lynch, you just happened to be the last vote counted. I would have named someone else if they voted last and made it 4 -4 by my count). 2) he keeps saying he's new and/or he doesn't know us in almost every post. If that is not a personality trait, what is? We all know it by now and the sensible among us will already keep that in mind. Move on to actual analysis. Stick with your opinion and make yourself heard don't get distracted by what people say about you - that is what the game is about. We argue all the time on here and yet most have made strong friendships over these mafia games. It's not personal.

For the record Thor is similarly overly defensive. Not every criticism is a personal attack.

Since people have expressed that they find me suspicious I will never get enough support for MudPuppy this early in the game so until something new happens there I'll unvote.

I actually think dakky might be town this game and trying to live. That would explain the change in meta. Just a feeling based on how I'm reading him and how he's played in the past.

I'm beginning to suspect mitch very strongly. Just feels like he is trying to take advantage of and learn as much as possible from past games to pull one over on us this game while scum. He is being very cautious. And a cautious mitch is suspicious.

So for me it's a choice between HS and mitch. If we start early this game maybe we can force a few claims so since HS is probably the easier bandwagon to build... Vote Hotshot.

[BuJaber]

If we start early this game day phase maybe we can force a few claims so since HS is probably the easier bandwagon to build... Vote Hotshot.

EBWOP

[Kamikaze Jawa]

DDS : It's good that you and Pika are taking opposite sides on KJ because you kinda cancel each other out and then we can get a more neutral perspective. One thing you are wrong about though is that KJ IS showing a meta. It is not a complex one nor a particularly established one as it's only been a few days since he's played with us but he's 1) overly defensive (for example I wasn't blaming you for no lynch, you just happened to be the last vote counted. I would have named someone else if they voted last and made it 4 -4 by my count). 2) he keeps saying he's new and/or he doesn't know us in almost every post. If that is not a personality trait, what is? We all know it by now and the sensible among us will already keep that in mind. Move on to actual analysis. Stick with your opinion and make yourself heard don't get distracted by what people say about you - that is what the game is about. We argue all the time on here and yet most have made strong friendships over these mafia games. It's not personal.

You're right that I'm overly defensive, and probably don't need to be however we've already had one player outright leave because he felt he was being pursued too harshly, and Thor used whatever power he had to get the mod to confirm he's town because he too thought he was being targetted too harshly (not saying he's right, just that he obviously felt the need). So it's not unreasonable for me to feel a little uncomfortable.

As I wrote in an earlier post, I'm trying to be more active and constructive. I'm expecting Pika or ZaBeast to try and have me lynched in a day or two so I'm in a kind of 'f*ck it, I'll just do what I want and let the chips fall where they may' mood.

[madmitch]

@ BuJaber, you are right I am very cautious in this game, I am trying to change my play style and it is hard to break bad habits, I am still wary of THORTH maybe he is 3rd party ? just something off there, FOS against Dakky and Rags for asking about who did what? but why was Dakky voted for and not Rags ? they are both guilty, I can relate to what Flores (that little ray of sunshine...Not ) said because I take a while to read and post,I am a little older than most or all of you,I remember having a phone on the wall with a crank ,our number was 1 long crank and 3 short ones,no shit guys ,anyway I am torn between H.S. and MM from D1 ,not quite sure who to vote for yet and I will wait for a while

[madmitch]

@KJ don't get upset about anything, remember it is just a game, I know how you feel I was and usually get attacked and many times I blow my stack then feel like shit after wards, just have fun and take nothing personal

[Thorthoth]

@ BuJaber, you are right I am very cautious in this game, I am trying to change my play style and it is hard to break bad habits, I am still wary of THORTH maybe he is 3rd party ? just something off there, FOS against Dakky and Rags for asking about who did what? but why was Dakky voted for and not Rags ? they are both guilty, I can relate to what Flores (that little ray of sunshine...Not ) said because I take a while to read and post,I am a little older than most or all of you,I remember having a phone on the wall with a crank ,our number was 1 long crank and 3 short ones,no shit guys ,anyway I am torn between H.S. and MM from D1 ,not quite sure who to vote for yet and I will wait for a while

MItch:
1. Is STILL trying to throw shade on me. What part of 'in Thorin's Company' does he not understand?
2. Is still trying to deflect blame of dakky? dakky came in very early and cast a wide fishing net with serious intent. Rags fishing attempt toward DDS was singular, soft and jokey.
3. Crank phones were still in use in rural areas as late as the 1980s.
4. MM & HS are both being very quiet.That's might not be good, but a town power role also might want to keep a low profile...

[Thorthoth]

Speaking of, are we ever going to find out your mysterious information from Day 1? Or is that still 'too sensitive'?

If I die (especially if I am the first to do so) please refer back to the latter part of this post and think about the information my death hopefully reveals in relation. Otherwise I have a second binary yes/no question I would like to ask and perhaps would have felt more comfortable doing so should the previously alluded to event not occured during day 1, but should others die before me I will hopefully get my answer and be able to fully explain myself.

Nobody kill Pika! we need to hear his incredibly important and insightful next question!! ....Oh please

PIka's first question was BS and his next one will likely be too.
1. The whole double-role question thing just looked like an excuse to go fishing.
2. His predictions about the character role set-up is COMPLETELY GUESSWORK and may even be an insincere interpretation.

dakky and Pika have both been caught fishing.... and Pika's vote on dakky could be an attempt to hide their scent. In fact that wouldn't even be an unusual tactic, more like 'scum basics 101'.

Solution: let's push dakky to the hammer.
1. If pika is town,
he'll either,
A. want to hammer dakky,
or else,
B. find a clear and communicable reason for us to unvote dakky.
2. If pika is scum,
he'll either,
A. suspiciously drop out of the lynch vote near the end,
or else,
B stay in and town will be able to make scum lynch scum.

[Pikanchion]

You're right that I'm overly defensive, and probably don't need to be however we've already had one player outright leave because he felt he was being pursued too harshly, and Thor used whatever power he had to get the mod to confirm he's town because he too thought he was being targetted too harshly (not saying he's right, just that he obviously felt the need). So it's not unreasonable for me to feel a little uncomfortable.

As I wrote in an earlier post, I'm trying to be more active and constructive. I'm expecting Pika or ZaBeast to try and have me lynched in a day or two so I'm in a kind of 'f*ck it, I'll just do what I want and let the chips fall where they may' mood.

If I were trying to pressure you (in a scumhunting sense, rather than a please-make-better-posts kind of way) I would have voted for you, as I alluded to previously the first post in which I even mention Thorthoth and the—technically—fourth in which I mention IcePack (but really none of these are even directed at IcePack) I voted for them. If I were to post a player list ranked by how likely I thought them scum then you would only be around the top of the bottom half right now...

dakky and Pika have both been caught fishing.... and Pika's vote on dakky could be an attempt to hide their scent. In fact that wouldn't even be an unusual tactic, more like 'scum basics 101'.

Solution: let's push dakky to the hammer.
1. If pika is town,
he'll either,
A. want to hammer dakky,
or else,
B. find a clear and communicable reason for us to unvote dakky.
2. If pika is scum,
he'll either,
A. suspiciously drop out of the lynch vote near the end,
or else,
B stay in and town will be able to make scum lynch scum.

Sure let's do this, of course I can't drop the hammer if I'm also the first person on the bandwagon ;)

Nobody kill Pika!

Finally somebody standing up to say what we've all been thinking :D

[Pikanchion]

That said the bulk of this post is just as relevant now as then, I certainly don't want to see a lynch before we get the replacement.