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Oops, you make a good point!Tobikera wrote:@blacky
I assume your responses are in non-bold red and the last bold red vote is just a copy from the post you are quoting? I was in a game once where a player voted to hammer himself to end his frustration and agony. It might be better for everyone to use blue instead of red to make their responses to quotes identifiable. Keep the color red for votes and unvotes.
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yet you emphasize one list over the otherblacky365 wrote: Im not saying either list are defo scum, im just not understanding why all the focus has been on those lynching JFM and not on Pershy's lynchers.
How is getting someone you think is town to claim his role a good thing for town? And for that matter how is asking anyone to claim without the intent to follow-up a good thing for town? How would knowing someone's claim give you a better read on him, apart from the small chance someone would counter-claim? What reads did you intend to get from jfm claiming that would offset the downsides of your approach?blacky365 wrote: This is quite normal in every game ive played in. Take someone to L-2 to pressure them to claim. And given JFM's partial claim, he became a fair target for further pressure.
ZaBeast wrote:yet you emphasize one list over the otherblacky365 wrote: Im not saying either list are defo scum, im just not understanding why all the focus has been on those lynching JFM and not on Pershy's lynchers.
where did I emphasise one list over the other?
How is getting someone you think is town to claim his role a good thing for town? And for that matter how is asking anyone to claim without the intent to follow-up a good thing for town? How would knowing someone's claim give you a better read on him, apart from the small chance someone would counter-claim? What reads did you intend to get from jfm claiming that would offset the downsides of your approach?blacky365 wrote: This is quite normal in every game ive played in. Take someone to L-2 to pressure them to claim. And given JFM's partial claim, he became a fair target for further pressure.
this point has been discussed at length already. The point here is not the validity of the votes on jfm it’s the lack of action re pershy etc
I do find it fascinating how you are picking up on the more trivial points of my post and not grasping the main issue I was highlighting...
1- the one with people on both lynches is boldedblacky365 wrote:ZaBeast wrote:yet you emphasize one list over the otherblacky365 wrote: Im not saying either list are defo scum, im just not understanding why all the focus has been on those lynching JFM and not on Pershy's lynchers.
where did I emphasise one list over the other?
How is getting someone you think is town to claim his role a good thing for town? And for that matter how is asking anyone to claim without the intent to follow-up a good thing for town? How would knowing someone's claim give you a better read on him, apart from the small chance someone would counter-claim? What reads did you intend to get from jfm claiming that would offset the downsides of your approach?blacky365 wrote: This is quite normal in every game ive played in. Take someone to L-2 to pressure them to claim. And given JFM's partial claim, he became a fair target for further pressure.
this point has been discussed at length already. The point here is not the validity of the votes on jfm it’s the lack of action re pershy etc
I do find it fascinating how you are picking up on the more trivial points of my post and not grasping the main issue I was highlighting...
1- that was for information purposes and was highlighting those who voted both... perhaps I should not have included that part as it was directly linked to what I was saying earlier, but I did want to highlight who voted for both as I am sure there are scum lying in that list.ZaBeast wrote: 1- the one with people on both lynches is bolded
2- I'm specifically talking about YOUR vote on jfm on D1, not the wagon on D2. I do agree with you I don't find it scummy to vote for jfm D2. That's not the issue here
This is exactly my point. You can't say you don't see voting for jfm as scummy and yet selectively point the finger at the people who lynched both jfm and pershy but not the ones who only lynched pershy. If you think the pershy wagon is scummy but not the jfm one, then the list that should contain scum is the list of people who voted pershy.blacky365 wrote: but I did want to highlight who voted for both as I am sure there are scum lying in that list.
I'll ask again then, since you got the info you wanted during D1. How does knowing jfm claimed doc helped you get a better read on him? I unvoted mostly because I wasn't confident enough in jfm's guilt to risk losing a doc, which should be the point of the claim (but also because the wagon was falling apart with the role-fishers leaving, and there was time to try to get a lynch before the end of the day, and also because I assumed we were likely to have a doc in the game). You unvoted because your role-fishing was successful. It doesn't mean your approach wasn't flawed.blacky365 wrote:my vote on jfm was to get info out of him, when he provided some info I unvoted as did almost everyone [...] If you want to know why I voted to get a claim then read back. If you don’t agree with the reason then that is fine but it is just your opinion on the game.
If you were in the wagon, were you not agreeing with his arguments?chapcrap wrote:Voting pershy is the scummy side of that vote. I'm on the vote. I would have unvoted if I wasn't on vacation. I never bought Ragian's excuse for leading the lynch. Unvoting and the revoting. Mets came in and hammered quickly. Tobi decided to add on the vote even though he was already lynched
About the redirection: I agree that the fact no one claimed to have been redirected (not only BuJ as tobi could have had his action tampered with) is a little suspicious. If the action was redirected (bussed or otherwise) on scum though it could make sense he wouldn't claim being redirected in order to frame a townie. It is one of the reasons I believe tobi is scum though.chapcrap wrote:No one else was misdirected last night, so where is the double confirmation? And I don't buy the passive poisoner explanation at all. I buy that jfm was the poisoner. And there was only one poisoning N1, why not two? Getting meta, there are plenty of ways to kill people, why two poisoners? I don't buy it. I feel like it's a way to get the healer to use his power there. If I was SW, I wouldn't even touch that "poisoning" tonight. I'm for lynching Mets.
I can share more language from my night action result that blacky may be able to confirm, depending on what happened to him: I was told that I "messed with the wrong prey," and that the pain I experienced was a "sharp burning pain."ZaBeast wrote:About the poisoner: If my guess is correct, blacky wasn't actually the initial target of the poisoner D1 and therefore it wouldn't be coming from jfm. I'd have loved to have Mets confirm the wording about the poisoning before blacky to make sure we're talking about the same poisoner and mets isn't just making stuff up.
That wording definitely points to a passive poisoner. It will be interesting to see if Blacky's poisoning wording from N1 is similar or if he was poisoned before reaching his prey (indicating an active poisoner).Metsfanmax wrote:I can share more language from my night action result that blacky may be able to confirm, depending on what happened to him: I was told that I "messed with the wrong prey," and that the pain I experienced was a "sharp burning pain."ZaBeast wrote:About the poisoner: If my guess is correct, blacky wasn't actually the initial target of the poisoner D1 and therefore it wouldn't be coming from jfm. I'd have loved to have Mets confirm the wording about the poisoning before blacky to make sure we're talking about the same poisoner and mets isn't just making stuff up.
ZaBeast wrote:If you were in the wagon, were you not agreeing with his arguments?chapcrap wrote:Voting pershy is the scummy side of that vote. I'm on the vote. I would have unvoted if I wasn't on vacation. I never bought Ragian's excuse for leading the lynch. Unvoting and the revoting. Mets came in and hammered quickly. Tobi decided to add on the vote even though he was already lynched
Tobi was not just "kind of" on jfm's wagon. He casted the first vote, unvoted, then revoted after the lynch was reached because his reason for unvoting was shit.
ZaBeast, you really mean pershy's wagon, don't you? One more time...I did not vote for jfm on his ride to destiny.
About the redirection: I agree that the fact no one claimed to have been redirected (not only BuJ as tobi could have had his action tampered with) is a little suspicious. If the action was redirected (bussed or otherwise) on scum though it could make sense he wouldn't claim being redirected in order to frame a townie. It is one of the reasons I believe tobi is scum though.chapcrap wrote:No one else was misdirected last night, so where is the double confirmation?
As reiterated by BuJaber above, he could have been misdirected. But, as stated previously, even though I targeted BuJaber, I did not get a successful result, I was just "bumped" and "continued on to my target." He can hardly say he was misdirected for sure, if I was unsuccessful. I can't explain "bumped" and the lack of success. These could be similar nebulous results as the "I was attacked" results declared at the beginning of D2, which did not result in anyone getting nightkilled. And, ZaBeast, I fail to catch your logic concerning "one of the reasons I believe tobi is scum though."
So, she has claimed what? That she was probably target N1?Pikanchion wrote:Vote: Skoffin
I don't really trust anything she has claimed, and she hasn't posted enough to judge anything else about her this game.
Well that and the insistence that there is a Serial Killer. Besides, it was a stronger claim than probably.Ragian wrote:So, she has claimed what? That she was probably target N1?Pikanchion wrote:Vote: Skoffin
I don't really trust anything she has claimed, and she hasn't posted enough to judge anything else about her this game.
I cannot come up with any explanation for this which isn't fairly convoluted, especially when you take into consideration the fact we have a Doctor who has not taken credit for this since claiming and another player who claims to be a Commuter. If Skoffin was protected by a Jailor that night I see no reason for her to have kept that fact hidden, if she is bulletproof or a Commuter that calls into question both herself and dakky21, beyond that any explanations I can come up with involve multiple roles, most of which we have no evidence for the existence of.Skoffin wrote:Because I was told as much - stop asking me for more as I will not be telling you anything else at the moment. I don't know why people keep asking me these questions when they are unnecessary to the point.TX AG 90 wrote:All that Skoffin and you never elaborated on what we have been waiting for - How do you know you were targeted for a kill? We need some details on that.
Really,Ragian wrote:- I think that Sirius tries to get stuff done without the means, while TX seems to be reacting to what people say rather than building himself.
1. Untrue; your first post regarding chapcrap even quotes others saying the thing you were the first to say.TX AG 90 wrote:Really,Ragian wrote:- I think that Sirius tries to get stuff done without the means, while TX seems to be reacting to what people say rather than building himself.
I've been more than reactionary, I just don't ramble as much as Sirius.
1. I was the 1st to point a finger at chapcrap for the same reasons you listed above
2. I was the first to point out the possibility of a passive poisoner
3. I was pushing skoffin to tell us more
4. I pushed Mets and Blacky to tell us more
5. I'm the one who keeps saying that jfm never claimed to have poisoned Blacky, many just claimed to have come to that conclusion. ZaBeast is the only one who agrees with me on this so far.
